Kelly the Dog Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 This is such a reactionary, non fact based, comment. His arm is plenty strong to make most if not all NFL throws. Just because you can't throw it 80 yards in the air, does not mean he has a "pop gun" arm. Can someone explain to me why, if what everyone everywhere seems to be saying, that he has all of these essential QB skills, the guy fell in the draft, and wasn't a first round pick? Everyone says he has great accuracy, leadership, anticipation, mobility, size, etc. There is only one answer to that. Popgun arm.
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Can someone explain to me why, if what everyone everywhere seems to be saying, that he has all of these essential QB skills, the guy fell in the draft, and wasn't a first round pick? Everyone says he has great accuracy, leadership, anticipation, mobility, size, etc. There is only one answer to that. Popgun arm. Groupthink?
dave mcbride Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Football Outsiders rating for just drafted QBs (not good) http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2017/qbase-2017 The 2016 one is pretty interesting, especially re: Dak Prescott: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/qbase-2016 .
Kelly the Dog Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Groupthink? There is little groupthink in NFL draft. Opinions are all over the board all the time every year. So many people voice their opinions so you can get a consensus idea that a player is a or b or will be drafted at a certain time. But it's not a groupthink. It's like an aggregate.
starrymessenger Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 The 2016 one is pretty interesting, especially re: Dak Prescott: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/qbase-2016 . Their evaluation of Hack is looking spot on too.
Woodman19 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Joe Montana made a pretty good career out of a weak but accurate arm.
HappyDays Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Can someone explain to me why, if what everyone everywhere seems to be saying, that he has all of these essential QB skills, the guy fell in the draft, and wasn't a first round pick? Everyone says he has great accuracy, leadership, anticipation, mobility, size, etc. There is only one answer to that. Popgun arm. It is not enough to say "Most NFL executives thought he wasn't worth picking so he sucks." My opinion of talent evaluators in the NFL couldn't be much lower than it already is. The Bears paid Mike Glennon a big contract and Brock Osweiler got a big contract. Meanwhile players like Carr and Wilson and Prescott fall down the board. I really don't know why Peterman fell as far as he did but NFL executives overexaggerate the importance of arm strength and size all the time so I'm guessing that's a good reason why.
ALF Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 The 2016 one is pretty interesting, especially re: Dak Prescott: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/qbase-2016 . That's a good find , projection compared to reality
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 By the way, has it been mentioned yet that Peterson has big hands? 9 and 7/8 inches. http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/01/27/nfl-draft-senior-bowl-quarterbacks-nathan-peterman-davis-webb-cooper-kupp-oj-howard-haason-reddick
elroy16 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 https://twitter.com/PFF/status/859139395441627136/photo/1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Joe Montana made a pretty good career out of a weak but accurate arm. ....and as a 3rd rounder....went out to ND in 1976 for ND/Pitt........Dorsett ran wild (61 yd off tackle TD) and Joe was on IR....dammit.........had dinner at the Morris Inn....Browner and Fry came in to eat.....room got dark as those boyz were mammoth....back to Joe....four Lombardis ain't too bad........................
KellyToughII Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) Can someone explain to me why, if what everyone everywhere seems to be saying, that he has all of these essential QB skills, the guy fell in the draft, and wasn't a first round pick? Everyone says he has great accuracy, leadership, anticipation, mobility, size, etc. There is only one answer to that. Popgun arm. Why did Brady fall? Dak? Brees? Russell Wilson? Because these guys overthink crap and are wrong many times in their QB evaluations. If they were right, Every team would have a franchise QB by now. And who the hell determines this guy has a weak arm? Peyton manning was regarded as having a weak arm coming out, Brady, Brees etal. Kid can make every throw, let him come to the NFL, work with an NFL Training staff and QB coach and watch as that weak arm mysteriously gets stronger. Edited May 1, 2017 by KellyToughII
Boatdrinks Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Why did Brady fall? Dak? Brees? Russell Wilson? Because these guys overthink crap and are wrong many times in their QB evaluations. If they were right, Every team would have a franchise QB by now. And who the hell determines this guy has a weak arm? Peyton manning was regarded as having a weak arm coming out, Brady, Brees etal. Kid can make every throw, let him come to the NFL, work with an NFL Training staff and QB coach and watch as that weak arm mysteriously gets stronger. It's the total sum of the parts. Scouts can see who has a better arm than others. It takes a lot more to play QB at a high level. Manning's arm was questioned , esp compared to Leaf, but everything else was off the charts. There was no doubt he was going to be the first or second pick. Scouts and personnel guys look at a player's potential for greatness and if they have the physical tools to increase their chances of reaching it. They will never be right in every instance. Even if they were right 100% of the time, it would not increase the supply of great QBs . No way for every team to have one. There just aren't many Montana's or Brady's out there. It's about odds and percentages, and some will defy the odds. Others will flop even with everything in their favor.
Buddy Hix Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Only saw him play one game, the Clemson thriller. I am going to assume he is exactly that player and the Bills are now set at QB for a decade.
eball Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Only saw him play one game, the Clemson thriller. I am going to assume he is exactly that player and the Bills are now set at QB for a decade. Show me the dad-gum baby!
LeGOATski Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Can someone explain to me why, if what everyone everywhere seems to be saying, that he has all of these essential QB skills, the guy fell in the draft, and wasn't a first round pick? Everyone says he has great accuracy, leadership, anticipation, mobility, size, etc. There is only one answer to that. Popgun arm. Grip strength. Ball gets wet and that accuracy goes to ****. Just watch his full game against Miami. Its on YouTube. Terrible.
eball Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 It is not enough to say "Most NFL executives thought he wasn't worth picking so he sucks." My opinion of talent evaluators in the NFL couldn't be much lower than it already is. The Bears paid Mike Glennon a big contract and Brock Osweiler got a big contract. Meanwhile players like Carr and Wilson and Prescott fall down the board. I really don't know why Peterman fell as far as he did but NFL executives overexaggerate the importance of arm strength and size all the time so I'm guessing that's a good reason why. And he got nothing but good press during Senior Bowl week as well. It's as if the evaluators remembered he lost the job to Dobbs at UT and never allowed him to recover in their eyes.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Grip strength. Ball gets wet and that accuracy goes to ****. Just watch his full game against Miami. Its on YouTube. Terrible. I watched the full game against Clemson. The Youtube with every pass play back to back to back. His best game ever. He threw over a dozen absolutely terrible balls. So many.
Roundybout Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 I watched the full game against Clemson. The Youtube with every pass play back to back to back. His best game ever. He threw over a dozen absolutely terrible balls. So many. because every QB is perfect.
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 I watched the full game against Clemson. The Youtube with every pass play back to back to back. His best game ever. He threw over a dozen absolutely terrible balls. So many.he went 22/37 with 5 TD's and 308 yards in that game so I guess all of his misses were the over dozen terrible balls you mentioned. I can live with that against the National Champions.
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