Bookie Man Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Terrific pick. I know arm strength is an issue but accuracy is more important and something you can't teach. And Peterman is an accurate passer. Peterman was 8th in the nation in passer rating. That was better than all of the quarterbacks drafted this year, including Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson. Even better than Darnold that people rave about. I watched Peterman shred my Orangemen in November. Great character as well. If he's not a total bust in training camp then I hope we try Cardale at Tight End. I wouldn't be shocked to see Peterman earn the backup job over Yates and give Tyrod a run for his money in 2018. Also #1 red zone passer.
BullBuchanan Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Strengths: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader.Weaknesses: Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.Summary: Is not what you're looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone.
transplantbillsfan Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) I just do not see it - they will let Taylor play out the contract - I just do not see anyway TT gets a longer better contract. The better shot is a top draft pick next year will be the QB. Saying a top draft pick will be the QB next year is 100% reasonable and I think that's clearly the plan if Tyrod and the team aren't more productive in 2017 than 2016. That's not something I'd remotely argue against. It's those saying that Peterman is suddenly "The Guy" that I think are just grasping at straws at this point. On Twitter let me get it. Was looking for UDFA signings Jay Skurski (@JaySkurski) 4/29/17, 2:47 PM Sean McDermott says every quarterback on the roster will compete for the starting job -- it won't be handed to Tyrod Taylor. #Bills I love the way people keep coming back to this. Someone even used the words "open competition." Let's see how they split the reps in TC. Is there anyone willing to bet Taylor isn't the starter Week 1 against the Jets barring injury? I'll give you 3 to 1 odds... Next three years? Yup, you'll get some intelligent takers. Maybe even two years. And we aren't excited by drafting a QB. We're excited by drafting Nathan Peterman. He's an anticipatory thrower, a guy who uses the whole field and has an NFL brain. Does that mean he'll be a franchise QB? Nobody knows, same as all the other draftees. But it's exciting to see and smart this late in the draft. God Thurm. It's clear I annoy you, but try reading posts and conversations you're responding to, please. What are you pulling 3 years from? I responded to Foxx who said he was 95% sure Taylor would be benched by the last game THIS YEAR. You're embarrassing yourself... Edited April 30, 2017 by transplantbillsfan
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Is there anyone willing to bet Taylor isn't the starter Week 1 against the Jets barring injury? I'll give you 3 to 1 odds... I'm in for $100. Burn and turn, dealer.
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Saying a top draft pick will be the QB next year is 100% reasonable and I think that's clearly the plan if Tyrod and the team aren't more productive in 2017 than 2016. That's not something I'd remotely argue against. It's those saying that Peterman is suddenly "The Guy" that I think are just grasping at straws at this point. I love the way people keep coming back to this. Someone even used the words "open competition." Let's see how they split the reps in TC. Is there anyone willing to bet Taylor isn't the starter Week 1 against the Jets barring injury? I'll give you 3 to 1 odds... To me there is two likely scenarios that can happen Tyrod responds to better coaching with Dennison (and better pass catchers.....excited to see Sammy and Zay on the field together...not to mention that our number 3 guys are improved over last year....Homes....the carolina reciever.....Tate is back) and the bills decide that Tyrod IS the qb going forward.....Peterman (or C. Jones) continues to develop.....we go into next years draft with TWO first round picks that can actually be used at top guys at other positions. Tyrod does not improve over last year......or regresses.....and the two first round picks are used (along with whatever else it takes) to draft another qb.......Peterson (or C. Jones) continues to be developed. I am ready for either.....but I hope for option A. I'm in for $100. Burn and turn, dealer. that is a foolish bet.....but a fool and his money are soon parted
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 that is a foolish bet.....but a fool and his money are soon parted could be my man, all in good fun
transplantbillsfan Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I'm in for $100. Burn and turn, dealer. K. Don't know how you wanna put this together, but I'll give you those odds if you're really going to put money down that a healthy Tyrod Taylor is on the bench Week 1 because he lost his job to Yates, Jones or Peterman. I'm a little amazed how out of your minds some of you folks are.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 K. Don't know how you wanna put this together, but I'll give you those odds if you're really going to put money down that a healthy Tyrod Taylor is on the bench Week 1 because he lost his job to Yates, Jones or Peterman. I'm a little amazed how out of your minds some of you folks are. I amaze myself in that same way everyday. I'll send a PM.
BigBuff423 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 There is an enormous difference in "not having a strong arm" which was Brees, and having an average arm, which seems to be Peterman right now. It seems like a semantic difference but it's really not. Guys like Brees obviously can succeed. Guys with weak or average arms cannot. There is some arguments over whether Peterman has just enough or just short of being enough. I am on the latter side, which is the only reason I'm not all over him. I think if he had the arm that Brees had coming out of college he would have been a number one pick. The reason people are saying career backup is because he has a weak or average arm. Whenever someone - not just you - brings up the idea of how important arm strength is to play in the NFL, I think of Chad Pennington who had a very nice career. He played with accuracy and anticipation, which translates the best to the NFL game. Hoping this young man can do something similar or better.
Shaunta53 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I like him as a long term backup option. I don't see starting material out of him though. Did anyone watch the Pittsburgh offense with him? It was basically a triple option with multiple presnap shifts to keep the defense guessing game plan. He had a ton of TDs off shovel passes in the redzone. He hit a ton of wide open RBs/Slot WRs on basically RPOs where there were misreads by the defense. He has some tools so I'm OK with giving him a shot, but I'm not enamored with him by any means.
eball Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I watched a good bit of Peterman since he played in the ACC and I'm confident he'll have a decent NFL career as at least a #2. I'll be shocked if he doesn't make the roster; the only question appears to be whether Cardale gets cut or they keep four QBs. They won't cut Yates because he's the vet who knows the offense.
SDS Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Strengths: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader. Weaknesses: Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own. Summary: Is not what you're looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone. Lacks mobility? If there's one thing I saw in those highlight videos is that he has plenty of mobility. I don't know how fast he is but the kid was making 10, 20, 30 yard runs without much difficulty.
BigBuff423 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) I like him as a long term backup option. I don't see starting material out of him though. Did anyone watch the Pittsburgh offense with him? It was basically a triple option with multiple presnap shifts to keep the defense guessing game plan. He had a ton of TDs off shovel passes in the redzone. He hit a ton of wide open RBs/Slot WRs on basically RPOs where there were misreads by the defense. He has some tools so I'm OK with giving him a shot, but I'm not enamored with him by any means. So basically a West Coast Offense....much like the one BILLS will most likely be running. And one who has been taking snaps under center as a Pro Style Offense is an advantage. As I've said before, no idea how it will work out but he seems like a good fit for this projected Offense. Edited April 30, 2017 by BigBuff423
Woodman19 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 As long as he isn't rushed and can sit for a year.
Shaunta53 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 So basically a West Coast Offense....much like the one BILLS will most likely be running. And one who has been taking snaps under center as a Pro Style Offense is an advantage. Yeah the passing game was WCO based, he had a lot of big gains on hitting guys over the middle in stride all year. The RPO they ran was crazy effective. They roll right have a TE from the backside on the Shovel pass, a RB running a flare and a slot WR running an out. It was fun to watch!
HappyDays Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) Actually, I'm liking this pick more and more - check out his ratings when under pressure: He boosted his completion percentage by 9.8 percent on play action passes, the eighth-largest improvement in the class. Passing in 2.5 seconds or less: 69.9 percent completion, 18 TD, 3 INT, 124.6 QB rating. Passing in 2.5 seconds or less: 69.9 percent completion, 18 TD, 3 INT, 124.6 QB rating The more I read the more convinced I am this was our best pick of the draft. I sincerely think Peterman has a better chance of success than any QB taken before him. I feel very comfortable moving forward with Tyrod and Peterman while still being set up well to draft a QB in the 1st next year if needed. Edited April 30, 2017 by HappyDays
starrymessenger Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I watched a good bit of Peterman since he played in the ACC and I'm confident he'll have a decent NFL career as at least a #2. I'll be shocked if he doesn't make the roster; the only question appears to be whether Cardale gets cut or they keep four QBs. They won't cut Yates because he's the vet who knows the offense. Well if he turns into a solid long term backup to our 2018 franchise guy that represents an important step forward.
HappyDays Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Lacks mobility? If there's one thing I saw in those highlight videos is that he has plenty of mobility. I don't know how fast he is but the kid was making 10, 20, 30 yard runs without much difficulty. That's Brady's scouting report, not Peterman's. I think it was supposed to be a comparison? They do have pretty similar scouting reports. I watched a good bit of Peterman since he played in the ACC and I'm confident he'll have a decent NFL career as at least a #2. I'll be shocked if he doesn't make the roster; the only question appears to be whether Cardale gets cut or they keep four QBs. They won't cut Yates because he's the vet who knows the offense. I saw a rumor on here that Yates will retire from football after training camp and immediately be hired as a QB coach in Buffalo, if I'm remembering correctly. He has connections to Dennison and ran his offense for several years, so it could be true.
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