Augie Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 I didn't see that much of Darnold, but what I did see looked different than the guys who came before him. I'll make a point to watch more this year.....not that we could get him. Quote
26CornerBlitz Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 @PFWeekly .@greggabe on Wyoming QB Josh Allen: Loads of talent, but the Andrew Luck-level hype more myth than fact: https://t.co/w3OyOktmDr Quote
707BillsFan Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 Just curious, can we get through the 2017 season before doing this stuff? I for one would really like to see and enjoy this season before worrying about 2018 draft picks Exactly!! Quote
jeffismagic Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 We're talking about being one year out. Mahomes' biggest advocates were probably me and Bandit. He barely registered on many radars as a top prospect. As far into this process as March, we still had a ton of people within the media talking down this class until they realised that there were a few guys that were going way earlier than they thought. I've watched enough of Darnold to understand the talent he has but that he's both inexperienced and has a lot to work on. The hype for guys like Allen is the thing that I find unfathomable, the 1st round hype for guys like Davis Webb or Mitch Leidner is another part of it. Christian Hackenberg as well (literally the next Luck because he was tall, white and pro-style). I'm supposed to see Allen hyped up as a potential #1 pick while Lamar Jackson is getting the "is he really a QB" treatment? Let's not forget that Marcus Mariota & Teddy Bridgewater were also picked apart in ways that others aren't subject to. I don't expect this to be welcomed or popular but I've seen this song and dance a few times now. I'm not falling for it again. Let's not forget this nugget from Greg Cossell, the king of the tall, white guys. NFL Films' Greg Cosell: I'd take Zach Mettenberger over Jameis Winston http://www.espn.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/13478/greg-cosell-of-nfl-films-id-take-zach-mettenbrger-over-jamies-winston Quote
GunnerBill Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 Let's not forget this nugget from Greg Cossell, the king of the tall, white guys. NFL Films' Greg Cosell: I'd take Zach Mettenberger over Jameis Winston http://www.espn.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/13478/greg-cosell-of-nfl-films-id-take-zach-mettenbrger-over-jamies-winston I mean that is such a bad take it is laughable. Quote
jeffismagic Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 I mean that is such a bad take it is laughable. His favorite QB this year was Davis Webb. He didn't like Mahomes or Watson. Quote
machine gun kelly Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 Thanks to the OP. I'll read this next year, but more interested in this year. Quote
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 Also, you never know when another Trubisky will emerge from out of nowhere. Quote
mead107 Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 Still think this should be locked. Let's play this year please. Quote
#34fan Posted May 14, 2017 Posted May 14, 2017 Darnold is going to be a Steeler.... Book it today... Quote
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 14, 2017 Posted May 14, 2017 Blokes, I usually enjoy your posts. But this is nuts. Tons of evaluators had Watson or Mahomes at the top of their lists. Throw in Trubisky and you have the core of what seemed like endless battling threads around here. As to the enthusiasm for Darnold, if his talent isn't obvious to you, then there's nothing to be said other than go watch him play. I feel your implication that racism is the reason why Darnold excites evaluators more than a Watson does is way over the line. Agreed, it's clear blokes hates white players. Quote
thebandit27 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I've done initial work-ups on Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Browning, Rudolph, Falk, Thorson, Fitzgerald, Speight, Stanton, and Francois thus far If I have to give a top grade, right now it goes to Mayfield, but I've identified 7-8 that I want to watch closely. Quote
YoloinOhio Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Believe it or not, I kind of think Speight might be pretty good. Then again I heard he might not even start this year. Quote
BillsFan17 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I've done initial work-ups on Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Browning, Rudolph, Falk, Thorson, Fitzgerald, Speight, Stanton, and Francois thus far If I have to give a top grade, right now it goes to Mayfield, but I've identified 7-8 that I want to watch closely. What about the off field non sense that comes with Mayfield? Quote
jeffismagic Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 What about the off field non sense that comes with Mayfield? His intangibles are incredible. That stuff is like Dak's DUI. Quote
thebandit27 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 What about the off field non sense that comes with Mayfield? It's definitely something to monitor, however (after reading the story), I think you can probably file that under "kid got drunk and acted like a drunk kid" for now... Now, if it turns out, over time, to be part of a larger pattern of behavior, then yeah, I'd steer clear. Quote
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Believe itor not, I kind of think Speight might be pretty good. Then again I heard he might not even start this year. Really? Who would start over him? Speight is a big kid with good arm, he was ok last yr interesting to see if he improves. Quote
BillsFan17 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 It's definitely something to monitor, however (after reading the story), I think you can probably file that under "kid got drunk and acted like a drunk kid" for now... Now, if it turns out, over time, to be part of a larger pattern of behavior, then yeah, I'd steer clear. I mean, I absolutely loved Mayfield, but then I saw that arrest and thought to my self, are we dealing with a Manziel or a kid making one time mistake? Let's say for arguments sake it is truly an isolated incident, do you think, despite being 6'1" that he'll be in the conversation for top QB taken? Quote
thebandit27 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I mean, I absolutely loved Mayfield, but then I saw that arrest and thought to my self, are we dealing with a Manziel or a kid making one time mistake? Let's say for arguments sake it is truly an isolated incident, do you think, despite being 6'1" that he'll be in the conversation for top QB taken? FWIW, he knocked his written apology out of the park: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/2/28/14769044/baker-mayfield-arrest-apology-oklahoma-sooners Turning to his physical stature, I'm not sure. I think he'll be in the conversation based on skill (I've thought very highly of him since his TTU days), but his size will affect it for sure. It could end up a Trubisky situation in that regard--where Mitchell silenced any concerns by measuring in at 6'2" at the combine. Either way, if Baker goes out and continues to show poise, accuracy, and decision-making, I think he'll be fine as long as he crests 6'0". Quote
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I mean, I absolutely loved Mayfield, but then I saw that arrest and thought to my self, are we dealing with a Manziel or a kid making one time mistake?Let's say for arguments sake it is truly an isolated incident, do you think, despite being 6'1" that he'll be in the conversation for top QB taken?[/wrote] Not seeing it with Mayfield, people get enamored with all the stats of theses spread QBs and then it doesn't translate to the NFL. Quote
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