JaCrispy Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 I was giving some thought to Josh Rosen yesterday (as you do) and I came to the conclusion that his current circumstance is pretty similar to the one that Connor Cook found himself in before his senior season at Michigan State. Both in a relatively pro-style offense that asks them to attack deeper portions of the field more regularly. Both suffered from having an offensive line that struggled to hold up in pass protection. Both had an NFL-calibre RB to take some of the strain. Both only really had one reliable receiving option and a bunch of guys with hands like feet beyond that (UCLA's Jordan Lasley has draftable potential). Both had scouts doubting their personality. Both make some of the worst decisions I've seen outside of looking in a mirror. I've charted 10 games of Rosen's now and I charted two seasons worth of Cook's throws. At some point soon, I'll get all of that data together and compare them side-by-side. this is worrisome. Quote
Blokestradamus Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 this is worrisome. I really want to like the kid but he's so cavalier with the football, he should be obliged to end up in Cleveland. Ball security in the pocket is a massive issue. Think he's had 3 fumbles and 2 INT's returned for scores in the 10 games I've watched. Quote
JaCrispy Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) I really want to like the kid but he's so cavalier with the football, he should be obliged to end up in Cleveland. Ball security in the pocket is a massive issue. Think he's had 3 fumbles and 2 INT's returned for scores in the 10 games I've watched. sounding more and more like a Jay Cutler- talent for days but just doesn't have it between the ears... Edited July 18, 2017 by JaCrispy Quote
Blokestradamus Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 sounding more and more like a Jay Cutler- talent for days but just doesn't have it between the ears... He's already had 2 different schemes, he's heading into his 3rd different OC this year. Jedd Fisch should keep most of the pro-style elements but his record isn't exactly a glowing one. Fact of the matter is, Josh has to start getting the simple things down like spotting the blitz, accounting for the free rusher, finding his hot routes. Hopefully Fisch helps him with that. Quote
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 I'm pulling for Cardale, but already seems to be marked for roster-death.. ...what sustained accomplishments at the collegiate level make you want to pull for him or is it more about wanting to see a kid fulfill his NFL dream?......as an aside, I hope that TT can overcome his shortcomings and succeed at this level.....only an azzclown would root against these kids......never understood it................ Quote
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 He's already had 2 different schemes, he's heading into his 3rd different OC this year. Jedd Fisch should keep most of the pro-style elements but his record isn't exactly a glowing one. Fact of the matter is, Josh has to start getting the simple things down like spotting the blitz, accounting for the free rusher, finding his hot routes. Hopefully Fisch helps him with that. Rosen is also horrendous on the run and outside the pocket Quote
Blokestradamus Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Lamar Jackson isn't there yet but check out the TD throw at 7:41 (especially the reverse angle). My lord, it's pretty. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/08/lamar-jackson-vs-north-carolina-state-2016/ Quote
Augie Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Lamar Jackson isn't there yet but check out the TD throw at 7:41 (especially the reverse angle). My lord, it's pretty. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/08/lamar-jackson-vs-north-carolina-state-2016/ Wow, I had to watch that a few times to be convinced I saw what I saw, and he did it on purpose. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Lamar Jackson isn't there yet but check out the TD throw at 7:41 (especially the reverse angle). My lord, it's pretty. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/08/lamar-jackson-vs-north-carolina-state-2016/ That's why he will be such a polarizing player. We will see things that maybe no one else in the world can do. We just won't see it consistently. If he becomes more consistent he will go early. Edited July 20, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Wow, I had to watch that a few times to be convinced I saw what I saw, and he did it on purpose. yeesh! didn't have a lot of mustard on it either. Quote
DJB Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Josh Allen is the guy i bet we target. Huge size 6'5 233. Cannon of an arm to hold up in the Buffalo wind. Pretty athletic for the Dennison offence. Hes also has no off field red flags something mcdermott preaches. Quote
Blokestradamus Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 That's why he will be such a polarizing player. We will see things that maybe no one else in the world can do. We just won't see it consistently. If he becomes more consistent he will go early. He's a guy I definitely hope makes full use of the next 2 years to develop as a passer. After doing some deep study on him, he's a much more accomplished guy in the pocket than I thought he was from watching highlights of him and a couple of live games. He lets a few throws with a low degree of difficulty get away from him and his biggest charting weakness was deep sideline. He's money on post/seam routes down the middle though. Not "all in" just yet but I like the kid. I'd like to see their offense grow with him and have him using his legs a little less. Although, just for my own satisfaction, they really need to keep their inverted veer game intact. It's unstoppable. Quote
YoloinOhio Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 If anyone needs a fix, ESPNU is showing the top 25 games of 2016. OSU-Wisky on now. Quote
fansince88 Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 I just hope Peterman and Cardale can show some promise this season. Trading up is expensive Wouldnt it be great if TT, Cardale or Petterman grab the Buffalo by the horns and control this team to a major turnaround and we can use our TWO #1s on something else? Quote
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Wouldnt it be great if TT, Cardale or Petterman grab the Buffalo by the horns and control this team to a major turnaround and we can use our TWO #1s on something else? Pipe dream buddy Quote
26CornerBlitz Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 @NFL_CFB Darnold's thoughts on 2018? Rosen returns more mature? Prospect intel from Pac-12 Media Days: http://on.nfl.com/JOHOwU (via @MoveTheSticks) Quote
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 @NFL_CFB Darnold's thoughts on 2018? Rosen returns more mature? Prospect intel from Pac-12 Media Days: http://on.nfl.com/JOHOwU (via @MoveTheSticks) Like what I read about Falk and Rosen, this will give us more options if they step up. Quote
JaCrispy Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Like what I read about Falk and Rosen, this will give us more options if they step up. The article says Falk is obsessed with copying Brady, even down to his nutrition...he is a leader on and off the field and is loved by everyone...Don't be surprised if this guy is the 1st or 2nd QB off the board, especially if Darnold stays in school...Bills would be very fortunate to get Falk...let's just hope the teams ahead of us are dumb enough not to take him. Quote
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