PlayoffsPlease Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I guess the future lasts forever so it doesn't matter when it starts. But as far as 2017 and 2018 are concerned, I think I would be more excited about having Mahomes joining the team, then an unknown future drafted QB. Not because Mahomes is automatically better than someone we would draft next year. Just simply the fact that a 2018 drafted QB likely won't be available prior to 2019. There are other ways to fill the CB spot than with a #1 draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud420 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I guess the future lasts forever so it doesn't matter when it starts. But as far as 2017 and 2018 are concerned, I think I would be more excited about having Mahomes joining the team, then an unknown future drafted QB. Not because Mahomes is automatically better than someone we would draft next year. Just simply the fact that a 2018 drafted QB likely won't be available prior to 2019. There are other ways to fill the CB spot than with a #1 draft pick. Yep. White is no where need Gilmore...and we will see on Mahomes. At least Reid knows they need a QB. Even though they got a serviceable QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Gilmore, Ramczyk and a '18 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Yep. White is no where need Gilmore...and we will see on Mahomes. At least Reid knows they need a QB. Even though they got a serviceable QB. lol at the ppl who think they know how good a rookie will be. Newsflash, you don't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud420 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 lol at the ppl who think they know how good a rookie will be. Newsflash, you don't... I think anyone with a right mind would tell you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Love these types of questions where we presumably are asked to ignore money and cap. I like BMWs way better than Chevys but if both can do what they do... get me from A to B, the Chevy meets my utility needs while doing it for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SECRET SQUIRREL Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 No Hyde if we re-sign Gilmore, that should be included in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 14 million against the cap vs 2 million(gilmore vs white). You forgot to include the third round pick we acquired. Carry on with your crusade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I guess the future lasts forever so it doesn't matter when it starts. But as far as 2017 and 2018 are concerned, I think I would be more excited about having Mahomes joining the team, then an unknown future drafted QB. Not because Mahomes is automatically better than someone we would draft next year. Just simply the fact that a 2018 drafted QB likely won't be available prior to 2019. There are other ways to fill the CB spot than with a #1 draft pick. I'd be all for the trading down thing if the Bills were otherwise dismantling the current (mediocre) team and going into full rebuild mode. But ... bringing back Tyrod strongly suggests that they aren't. And it's hard to imagine that KC pick being any better than, say, 16th overall since a bad season for the Chiefs would probably be an 8-8 or so. So I guess the theory is that the Bills have a couple of picks in the 10-20 range, and they can use those to trade up to the top of the draft for an actual franchise QB candidate in Darnold. But that requires a whole lot of things to fall into place, including some clearly worse teams (Jets anyone?) to be willing to pass on Darnold. If you're gonna tank, you better tank, no 50% tank ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLSviaPHILLY Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 14 million against the cap vs 2 million(gilmore vs white). You forgot to include the third round pick we acquired. Carry on with your crusade This guy gets it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I don't think we draft a QB next year. I was not a Mahomes guy. Glad we got white Need him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I was a little surprised we took a CB; I thought it might be Watt or Foster. But Gilmore? More a man guy, and given the zone concepts McD wants plus the amount he wanted as a FA it wasn't worth the $$. Mahomes is an interesting guy but has a pretty far ways to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 White seems to be a bit of a ball hawk. May be turn out to be an upgrade over gilly... less speed overall but seems to boast leadership, smarts and intensity ... great PR to boot in college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I guess the future lasts forever so it doesn't matter when it starts. But as far as 2017 and 2018 are concerned, I think I would be more excited about having Mahomes joining the team, then an unknown future drafted QB. Not because Mahomes is automatically better than someone we would draft next year. Just simply the fact that a 2018 drafted QB likely won't be available prior to 2019. There are other ways to fill the CB spot than with a #1 draft pick. At one point, I may have agreed with you, but from what I've read over the last month or so leading up to the Draft, research / analytics seem to indicate the QBs that do the best over time are the ones that start immediately. So, since IMO I wasn't on any particular train for a QB this year, although I did like Mahomes and do like Peterman, I'm good with gaining the leverage necessary to either trade up or simply Draft the best QB for the Bills in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 14 million against the cap vs 2 million(gilmore vs white). You forgot to include the third round pick we acquired. Carry on with your crusade Exactly, we also saved another $6 million over the course of the contract from moving from 10-27. This was a classic Patriots move to trade down and the fans are upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 So, White has the same contract as Gilmore? Oh, sorry, nevermind, it is over $10M cheaper. That equates to two additional starters we can afford with that extra money. It's really White + 3rd round 2017 + 1st round 2018 + two additional starters or very good depth guys for Gilmore and Mahomes. I take that deal any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I'd be all for the trading down thing if the Bills were otherwise dismantling the current (mediocre) team and going into full rebuild mode. But ... bringing back Tyrod strongly suggests that they aren't. And it's hard to imagine that KC pick being any better than, say, 16th overall since a bad season for the Chiefs would probably be an 8-8 or so. So I guess the theory is that the Bills have a couple of picks in the 10-20 range, and they can use those to trade up to the top of the draft for an actual franchise QB candidate in Darnold. But that requires a whole lot of things to fall into place, including some clearly worse teams (Jets anyone?) to be willing to pass on Darnold. If you're gonna tank, you better tank, no 50% tank ... The Bills roster is not mediocre. We have lots of talent that has been misused and miscoached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Crusade Crusade Crusade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) The Bills roster is not mediocre. We have lots of talent that has been misused and miscoached. I understand the perception, and I believe there was some truth to it a couple years ago. But now? Not so much. On the offense, the true elite performers are McCoy and (when healthy) Watkins. And there's a couple of plus performers (Glenn and Richie) who aren't getting any younger. And that's it. On defense, there's really no elite performer at all anymore. If you're counting on Dareus hitting that level again, that's more wishful thinking than reality. I guess you'd call Dareus and Hughes plus performers, maybe Kyle if he has another year left in him. Gilmore and Z Brown, sure, but ... oh well. Who else? Where is all this hidden talent? Maybe Shaq Lawson will emerge as a stud, maybe (probably; it's just the odds) not. Edited April 28, 2017 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Gilmore isn't worth the money he was asking for. Get over it. The Bills made the right decision to let him walk and I don't think he wanted to be here either. Edited April 28, 2017 by QuoteTheRaven83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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