KD in CA Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Because you won't get the benefit of having that player play this season, he's not worth the same amount today as the player who will play this year I don't dispute the concept but I have issues with the discount rate being applied, especially when it's a first round pick. p.s. when's your next SF trip? Edited April 28, 2017 by KD in CA
Augie Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Something I'll never understand: all you guys who know more than the Bills and could have done better...why are you all sitting here on a Thursday night posting on a random message board for a bad football team? Why aren't you in the War Room in Philly? We need you geniuses, dammit!
BillsFan4 Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Here's an good read for anyone interested. It's a comprehensive list of all 1st round trades the last 10 years. It tells basically every detail of the trade too. It's interesting to see how the value we got stacks up against other trades. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/the-comprehensive-guide-to-10-years-of-first-round-trades/
1B4IDie Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Run the numbers on how many future #1 overall picks you would have to trade to get this year's #1 overall pick using the "1-round deduction" for future drafts. Never gonna happen. These are guidelines, not straight math. Also, everyone already knows the Bears got fleeced hard, so the fact that the numbers line up almost exactly should tell you how inaccurate they are. "Everyone knows" Really? This is your statement: Actual NFL GMs used the chart to conduct an actual NFL trade. However "Everyone" (non NFL GMs) know the Bears got fleeced, therefore the chart that is used to conduct the trade is inaccurate. That is a spectacular post you got there budy. Really amazing logic. Edited April 28, 2017 by 1B4IDie
Steve Billieve Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 it might be fun rooting against KC, especially if they have a lousy year. plus it might be nice to have some games to care about if i find myself ambivalent in november or december.
Bookie Man Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 ok so how many draft picks did KC "spend" on Mahomes ? I remember this being quite a confusing subject during the Watkins trade.
thunderingsquid Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Omg 2 first round picks in 2018 with a great QB class. This is epic.
PromoTheRobot Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Here's another way to look at the Chiefs trade. They spent 4 picks, including next year's 1st, on a player who is expected to do nothing for a year, maybe two. How would you grade it if it were the Bills? Probably not well. Edited April 28, 2017 by PromoTheRobot
GG Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 I don't dispute the concept but I have issues with the discount rate being applied, especially when it's a first round pick. p.s. when's your next SF trip? I like dropping one round as the discount for next yrs pick. Heading left soon, but unfortunately won't have any time to play.
Thurman#1 Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) I don't dispute the concept but I have issues with the discount rate being applied, especially when it's a first round pick. p.s. when's your next SF trip? #10 is 1300 points. #27 is 680 #91 is 136. So that's a difference of 484. That's between the 41st and 42nd picks, a 2nd round pick and a better one than average. We didn't take any discount whatsoever, we got a slight premium. I absolutely love this, and I don't absolutely love much the Bills have done for a lot of years. Smart move. Here's another way to look at the Chiefs trade. They spent 4 picks, including next year's 1st, on a player who is expected to do nothing for a year, maybe two. How would grade it if it were the Bills? Probably not well. I would hate it if I was the Bills. But the Chiefs are in better position to bench Mahomes and develop him. Not so bad for them, though I personally think Mahomes will never be a franchise QB, which would mean the trade will eventually be deemed a bomb on KC's side. But if anyone can mold Mahomes, it would be Andy Reid. The Bills don't have anyone I'd be as happy to see teaching a young QB. Edited April 28, 2017 by Thurman#1
PrimeTime101 Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 I think this was a solid decision to get a first going into next year.
Reed83HOF Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 The Bills don't have anyone I'd be as happy to see teaching a young QB Kinda damning for the franchise no?
MAJBobby Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 @sharpfootball Bills (#27, 91 and 1st rd in 2018) got the better deal in #NFLDraft trade w Chiefs (#10) by getting 36.1 draft points & losing 19.9.
Coach Tuesday Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Here's another way to look at the Chiefs trade. They spent 4 picks, including next year's 1st, on a player who is expected to do nothing for a year, maybe two. How would grade it if it were the Bills? Probably not well. Here's another way: the Chiefs, who have a far better record than the Bills over the last decade, were willing to spend four picks to ensure themselves a succession plan at the most important position. The Chiefs now have an established, experienced starter and a high-ceiling prospect to groom at the QB position. The Bills have a low-upside starter, TJ Yates, and Cardale Jones. But hey, at least we beat them in trade value points.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Here's another way: the Chiefs, who have a far better record than the Bills over the last decade, were willing to spend four picks to ensure themselves a succession plan at the most important position. The Chiefs now have an established, experienced starter and a high-ceiling prospect to groom at the QB position. The Bills have a low-upside starter, TJ Yates, and Cardale Jones. But hey, at least we beat them in trade value points. This. Also, the bills are guaranteed to overdraft some RB with that pick
DrDawkinstein Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Great move by Whaley getting us an extra 1st in what should be a QB-heavy draft next year, AND getting an extra early pick this year (3rd), while still filling a need with the 2nd highest rated CB.
YoloinOhio Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 That 3rd rounder is going to come in very handy
Bangarang Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Omg 2 first round picks in 2018 with a great QB class. This is epic. We have no idea yet what next year's QB class will look like. Guys can easily stay in school or have down years. It can easily turn into a very mediocre class of QBs. Then next year people will be saying to wait until 2019 to draft a guy.
jeffismagic Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 We have no idea yet what next year's QB class will look like. Guys can easily stay in school or have down years. It can easily turn into a very mediocre class of QBs. Then next year people will be saying to wait until 2019 to draft a guy. Rosen is interesting. He throws the ball so beautifully. But he is a California QB that doesn't like to get hit. If you draft him and give him a great line he can be insanely good. The issue is if you ever let him take hits he will give up.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Rosen is interesting. He throws the ball so beautifully. But he is a California QB that doesn't like to get hit. If you draft him and give him a great line he can be insanely good. The issue is if you ever let him take hits he will give up. Yeah Im not big on Rosen from what Ive seen. Hope to see better from him this season.
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