Bills Big Board, as per Leroi

[jeffismagic]

So since Mayock has Mahomes going #32....does this mean Mahomes isn't an elite prospect and would be a reach at #10?

 

I never said Davis is not a top prospect because of the mock draft. Don't put words in my mouth.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Corey Davis reminds me of Demaryius Thomas, which is a comparison that should cause Uncle Rico to pound the war room table some.

[Royale with Cheese]

 

I never said Davis is not a top prospect because of the mock draft. Don't put words in my mouth.

LOL.

They are also on most if not all top ten draft boards...

 

Not Corey Davis. Mayock has him going 21.

You specifically stated "Not Corey Davis" because Mayock has him going 21.

[CommonCents]

Corey Davis reminds me of Demaryius Thomas, which is a comparison that should cause Uncle Rico to pound the war room table some.

Demaryius Thomas is soft.

[26CornerBlitz]

@theMMQB

From Philly, @JennyVrentas' draft updates: Solomon Thomas on a Stanford class he took with @49ers GM John Lynch. http://trib.al/tssQrDq

[jeffismagic]

LOL.

 

 

You specifically stated "Not Corey Davis" because Mayock has him going 21.

 

You missed the post I was responding to and took it out of context.

 

Someone said every pick on the leroi board was universal top ten on mocks.

[Royale with Cheese]

 

You missed the post I was responding to and took it out of context.

 

Someone said every pick on the leroi board was universal top ten on mocks.

I posted the quote in reply to you. I know what he said and so do you but you are back tracking because of the double standard you got caught with.

 

He specifically said "most if not all"....that's not universally.

[BillsFan4]

Kirby, I'm not asking you to join me. But I will say many fans had no interest in bringing back Tyrod and doing last year over. I wanted a clean slate and I want my team to be smart. Impress me! I used to be easy to please but the idiotic moves over and over have made me skeptical.

 

Bills and Sabres under Terry Pegula and Russ Brandon's One Buffalo are boring AND they lose. That's a deadly combination.

I would actually argue that bringing Tyrod back Was the smart move.

 

Dumping Tyrod back in March, months before the draft, with at least 4 very QB needy teams picking in front of us and who knows how many teams looking to jump us, we don't even know which QBs will even be left on the board when we pick. What if the top QBs are gone? Then what?

 

I also don't think betting the start of your head coaching career on a rookie QB is a smart move either. What coach wants to bank their first head coaching gig, a job that they've been busting their ass for the past 10-15+ years to get, on a totally unknown rookie QB?

If we were picking top 3 in a year with at least 1 or 2 sure fire day 1 starters, it'd be different. But we're not. We're picking at 10 in a draft that looks to most likely have no QBs ready to start.

 

To me, the smart move is keeping Tyrod Taylor until you have a Legitimate upgrade.

 

I just don't see it as a smart move to dump Tyrod back in March for what amounts to nothing more than a dream of an upgrade (or some veteran scrap heap QB).

 

Like him or not, he was top 12 and top 7 in points in his 2 seasons as starter. Most coaches probably feel like they can win with that, especially a defensive coach who has effectively run a defensive scheme that has been able to limit opponents to 18-19 points per game or less...

[jeffismagic]

I would actually argue that bringing Tyrod back Was the smart move.

 

Dumping Tyrod back in March, months before the draft, with at least 4 very QB needy teams picking in front of us and who knows how many teams looking to jump us, we don't even know which QBs will even be left on the board when we pick. What if the top QBs are gone? Then what?

 

I also don't think betting the start of your head coaching career on a rookie QB is a smart move either. What coach wants to bank their first head coaching gig, a job that they've been busting their ass for the past 10-15+ years to get, on a totally unknown rookie QB?

If we were picking top 3 in a year with at least 1 or 2 sure fire day 1 starters, it'd be different. But we're not. We're picking at 10 in a draft that looks to most likely have no QBs ready to start.

 

To me, the smart move is keeping Tyrod Taylor until you have a Legitimate upgrade.

 

I just don't see it as a smart move to dump Tyrod back in March for what amounts to nothing more than a dream of an upgrade (or some veteran scrap heap QB).

 

Like him or not, he was top 12 and top 7 in points in his 2 seasons as starter. Most coaches probably feel like they can win with that, especially a defensive coach who has effectively run a defensive scheme that has been able to limit opponents to 18-19 points per game or less...

 

Foles 6 million. Or call for Siemian. Both cheaper and bring comparable play.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

The myth, the man, the legend. For those of us that have been on the board the last few years, we know to trust Leroi over any of the other pundits....Why? What he says actually happens.

 

His Bills big board (in order of preference):

 

1. Solomon Thomas

2. Corey Davis

3. Marshon Lattimore

4. O.J. Howard

5. John Ross

 

Now let's break this down a little further. I won't go as far as saying S. Thomas is a lock to be picked before #10, but I have trouble envisioning both the Panthers @ #8 and the Bengals @ #9 passing on Thomas. Could the Bills flip a 3rd rounder & #10 to the Chargers if they're enamored w/ Thomas? I guess they could, but if they stay put at #10 I think Thomas is off the board.

 

Corey Davis, a personal favorite, is sneaky. Most everybody in the "pundit" world would say Davis will be there at #10, but I'm not sold. His game tape is phenomenal, and he plays the most important position in football other than QB, IMO. He's a difference maker & I think the 49ers, Titans, Chargers and Bengals all teams that pick before us would love a WR like C. Davis. I'm particularly nervous about the Bengals. I believe the Bengals would take S. Thomas over Davis, but if Thomas is gone I think Davis will be in serious consideration at #9.

 

Lattimore.....I thought there was an outside chance he could be there at #10, but with Sidney Jones injury and Conley's legal problem some of that nice CB depth is disappearing. I'm more confident that Lattimore will be gone @10 than I am for either Davis or Thomas.

 

O.J. Howard. I like the idea of adding Davis because I want to add to our offense. The thought of Sammy Watkins going down and picturing what our offense would look like is scary. Even with Sammy healthy the thought of our WR's and TE's is pretty scary, in the bad way. Some of the draft analysts I really like, really like O.J. Howard & that works for me. Howard is the guy I'd be the most excited for on this list, with the exception of Corey Davis. Might be gone though, both the 49ers & Titans could pull the trigger a lot earlier than expected. Mayock has him going #6.

 

John Ross would create a meltdown on this board. The injury history coupled with the belief that he could be had a dozen picks later would have most fans upset. This pick would surprise me, but if the 4 guys above him are all gone maybe we're in for a surprise.

 

Final Analysis:

 

45% chance Corey Davis (#2 on our board and better than 50/50 chance he's available)

20% chance O.J. Howard (#3 on our board & 50/50 chance he's available)

15% chance Solomon Thomas (#1 on our board, but highly likely he's not available)

12.5% chance John Ross (our #5 guy, should be available. Will everybody above him be gone? I'd bet No, but it is possible)

7.5% chance of Marshon Lattimore (our 3rd ranked guy + least likely to be available = not likely the Bills pick)

 

I'm hoping for Davis. O.J. Howard would be nice too. We find out in about 24 hours folks! Enjoy!

 

And shout out to Leroi for adding to the excitement.

Not possibly his intel without an imo Somewhere

[dave mcbride]

 

Foles 6 million. Or call for Siemian. Both cheaper and bring comparable play.

Despite his flaws, Tyrod Taylor is a much better player than Foles at this point. I mean, is this even debatable?

[Reed83HOF]

Not possibly his intel without an imo Somewhere

 

the imo and his list is the the draft thread and it was posted on the 18th

 

Edit:

 

Here it is...

 

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/186337-2017-nfl-mock-drafts-top-prospects/page-167?do=findComment&comment=4331460

Edited April 27, 2017 by Reed83HOF

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Despite his flaws, Tyrod Taylor is a much better player than Foles at this point. I mean, is this even debatable?

Yes... yes it is. Why you ask? I've seen it argued that Tebow is better than Tyrod. Everything is debatable. EVERY thing

[jeffismagic]

Despite his flaws, Tyrod Taylor is a much better player than Foles at this point. I mean, is this even debatable?

 

I guess not for you. For me I see them as comparable. I like Siemian better but would have to give up a pick for him.

[dave mcbride]

 

Not Corey Davis. Mayock has him going 21.

I respect your opinion, but to my eyes he looks so much better than Jordan Matthews. No comparison, really, at least to me. And he freaking produced. W. Michigan was genuinely good last year, beating a couple of big ten teams, blowing out the competition in their own league that they were obligated to play, and giving a very strong Wisconsin team a tough game in the Cotton Bowl.

 

I guess not for you. For me I see them as comparable. I like Siemian better but would have to give up a pick for him.

I think Denver likes Siemian more than some here suspect. I could be wrong. I think he looks alright and has a future. Jay Fiedler comes to mind, and that's not a criticism. In his first four years with Miami, the Dolphins went 35-17 when Fiedler started.

Edited April 27, 2017 by dave mcbride

[jeffismagic]

I respect your opinion, but to my eyes he looks so much better than Jordan Matthews. No comparison, really, at least to me. And he freaking produced. W. Michigan was genuinely good last year, beating a couple of big ten teams, blowing out the competition in their own league that they were obligated to play, and giving a very strong Wisconsin team a tough game in the Cotton Bowl.

 

He certainly has more upside than Matthews. I was saying Matthews could be his floor.

[dave mcbride]

 

He certainly has more upside than Matthews. I was saying Matthews could be his floor.

I think his floor is more like Demariyus Thomas, who I think is overrated and drops too many passes (he's still pretty good--don't get me wrong). His ceiling is Julio Jones.

[BillsFan4]

Foles 6 million. Or call for Siemian. Both cheaper and bring comparable play.

Siemen is not available. He will be competing for the starting job this season, as per new HC. And he also said that no decision will be made for a long time on who is the starter.

 

And I don't think Foles had that comparable of play to Tyrod in his last chances to start. Yes, he had 1 good year for Chip Kelly back in 2013. But outside of that, he hasn't been all that great. I'm guessing you will say otherwise though, so we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

I'd easily take Tyrod at $9.7M cap hit over Foles at $6M for sure.

[YoloinOhio]

If Leroi is correct, the Bills 1st round choice should be Corey Davis.

 

I can't see Thomas or Lattimore making it to #10 and have a feeling that Howard will be gone before that as well.

 

That leaves Davis and Ross and my guess is they go with the bigger guy.

i posted this in another thread but Corey was interviewed this week and he says he expects to go 12-18. This tells me the Bills haven't shown any real interest in him (outwardly). Doesn't mean they won't take him at 10 or later if they trade down. Edited April 27, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[jeffismagic]

I think his floor is more like Demariyus Thomas, who I think is overrated and drops too many passes (he's still pretty good--don't get me wrong). His ceiling is Julio Jones.

 

Well, if he is that good he should go top 5.

Siemen is not available. He will be competing for the starting job this season, as per new HC. And he also said that no decision will be made for a long time on who is the starter.

 

And I don't think Foles had that comparable of play to Tyrod in his last chances to start. Yes, he had 1 good year for Chip Kelly back in 2013. But outside of that, he hasn't been all that great. I'm guessing you will say otherwise though, so we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

I'd easily take Tyrod at $9.7M cap hit over Foles at $6M for sure.

 

Foles is perfect for for the Dennison offense. But what's done is done. Tyrod is here this year. I just don't want to be discussing Tyrod again next year and whether we pay him 18,000,000 next year. Want to get off this ride.