TPS Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 McD wasn't hired because of Carolina's record in 2015 or SB run, if you want to say that was all Cam Newton. He wasn't even hired because of his defensive scheme or Xs and Os. He was hired because he displays the leadership traits of a HC. Which is much harder to find than someone who just succeeded as a coordinator. Vance Joseph and Anthony Lynn were hired for the same reason.how many coordinators are hired that are NOT successful on their side of the ball? I don't disagree on the main reason he was hired, but you don't get an interview if you ALSO don't have success in your specialty.
CommonCents Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 how many coordinators are hired that are NOT successful on their side of the ball? I don't disagree on the main reason he was hired, but you don't get an interview if you ALSO don't have success in your specialty. Anthony Lynn was a coordinator for a handful of games before that he was a RB coach and some other pillow soft positions. It was well known Lynn would be a HC one day even prior to Roman's dismissal. These guys get reputations around the league as leaders and potential HC and until they screw that up, that's where they are headed. Sure, being a good OC\DC helps when giving the oppurtunity. I'd relate it to baseball catchers like Joe Giradi but who even watches baseball anymore!
YoloinOhio Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) how many coordinators are hired that are NOT successful on their side of the ball? I don't disagree on the main reason he was hired, but you don't get an interview if you ALSO don't have success in your specialty.Vance Joseph's D was among worst in the league last year. And it was his one and only year as DC. Mike McCarthy had a terrible offense in SF when hired by GB. Alynn wasn't even running his own scheme (his words) and had the worse passing offense in the league. You can blame the players all you want but that won't get you HC jobs. Alynn isn't running the offense in LA, Whisenhunt is. I'm sure there are more, but these just came to mind. Many HCs are indeed hired mainly for their success as coordinators but it's not the only way to go. Eventually the HC can be looked at as just the HC and not "an offensive or defensive HC." Edited April 26, 2017 by YoloinOhio
TPS Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 Anthony Lynn was a coordinator for a handful of games before that he was a RB coach and some other pillow soft positions. It was well known Lynn would be a HC one day even prior to Roman's dismissal. These guys get reputations around the league as leaders and potential HC and until they screw that up, that's where they are headed. Sure, being a good OC\DC helps when giving the oppurtunity. I'd relate it to baseball catchers like Joe Giradi but who even watches baseball anymore! im an Angels fan, so it works. Scioscia.
billsredneck1 Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 i think he is gonna have success. i haven't been this excited during an offseason since probably the glory years or for a head coach since marv levy.... fan since 1973 btw. i think he will instill a professional winning culture again here. i sure hope he's running the draft.
bilzfancy Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 How about we let him coach a few games before he gets buried
Doc Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 If he can fix the mess Rex made on defense, things will be much improved.
CommonCents Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 If he can fix the mess Rex made on defense, things will be much improved. Seems he is well on his way as far as changing the atmosphere, too bad he couldn't return some of these players that were drafted for Rexy. That's the aggravating part about the Ryan's, the only part of that tenure that was taking seriously was making sure the Bills went after fits for Ryan.
Captain Murica Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 Drugs are bad. Anthony Lynn was a coordinator for a handful of games before that he was a RB coach and some other pillow soft positions. It was well known Lynn would be a HC one day even prior to Roman's dismissal. These guys get reputations around the league as leaders and potential HC and until they screw that up, that's where they are headed. Sure, being a good OC\DC helps when giving the oppurtunity.I'd relate it to baseball catchers like Joe Giradi but who even watches baseball anymore! I mean I watch almost every Mets even when they're bad and have the weekday season ticket plan.
BillsFan17 Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 Yes, we hired a DC because of the play they had at QB. Not because the guy learned under Jim Johnson in philly and helped develop multiple players in their defense.
TC in St. Louis Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 I'm optimistic. But I also have in mind that the Rams hired Spagnola, the hottest coordinator, who failed. They also hired Scott Linehan, who also failed despite being the hot coordinator. I attribute those failures on the Rams organization, who could not draft their way out of a paper bag. The fish rots from the head down. I think Rex blew it. When he took over, the Bills had a top 6 defense, which he promptly ruined. Had he done as promised and made the defense number one, they would have easily been in the playoffs both years. He failed. His big fat ego and his big fat brother damaged our defense. But they are not beyond repair. We come back with last year's number one and two picks, and a coordinator who has a clear idea of how to run a defense. If they can get Marcel to play consistently in the middle, I think we have a pretty good chance. What the players seemed to say was they needed better leadership. They have talent. I believe we are much better off now with McDermott than we were a year ago. I'm glad that Rex had such a bad year that enabled the hiring of the new coach, as well as the number 10 pick in the draft. Cannot wait for tomorrow. Trade down and get more guys.
Doc Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 Seems he is well on his way as far as changing the atmosphere, too bad he couldn't return some of these players that were drafted for Rexy. That's the aggravating part about the Ryan's, the only part of that tenure that was taking seriously was making sure the Bills went after fits for Ryan. Not worried about Lawson. Ragland...maybe. But we'll see. And ultimately it will depend on the QB play.
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 This is as ironic as that stupid Alanis Morisette song. McDermott is known in league circles as "the rain on your wedding day."
section122 Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 Great post. This will be hard for many to understand but I like how you presented this. This explains so much about you.
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 McDermott is known in league circles as "the rain on your wedding day." I guess if Whaley is on the way out, he's "good advice that you just can't take."
transient Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 I must have missed the part where the OP identifies a QB talent the likes of Cam Newton in this draft. Contrarians abound...
CommonCents Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 I guess if Whaley is on the way out, he's "good advice that you just can't take." A spoon when all you need is a knife? Oh wait, that's Ragland.
jeffismagic Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 A spoon when all you need is a knife? Oh wait, that's Ragland.
transient Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 A spoon when all you need is a knife? Oh wait, that's Ragland. Mr Play-it-safe who's afraid to fly? No, I guess that's more like TT over the middle.
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