njbuff Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 It's not a need persay, but could Barnett be the best available player at 10? And would you like this pick? Cause it's going to be awfully difficult to trade down.
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is what we wish Lawson would become, I'm afraid the pick would be to redundant for GM on a slippery slope.
Captain Murica Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is what we wish Lawson would become, I'm afraid the pick would be to redundant for GM on a slippery slope. I could see it now as the main staple in the argument against the pick. Going from selecting 1st round CB every few years to DE/OLB every few years.
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 I could see it now as the main staple in the argument against the pick. Going from selecting 1st round CB every few years to DE/OLB every few years. I can't speak for an entire fanbase but I certainly wouldn't be upset with it. I could see why they wouldn't do it though. Drafting a WR with the 10th overall pick is also an admission of failure...and once again I wouldn't hate it. If it's Corey Davis. Whaley and company have failed but if they are here to stay I'm ok with accepting that and moving forward and not doing stupid things just because they screwed them up previously.
BillsFan17 Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 You absolutely can never have enough guys to get to the QB. This is exactly how the Giants were able to beat the Pats twice in the SB.
Captain Murica Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) I can't speak for an entire fanbase but I certainly wouldn't be upset with it. I could see why they wouldn't do it though. Drafting a WR with the 10th overall pick is also an admission of failure...and once again I wouldn't hate it. If it's Corey Davis. Whaley and company have failed but if they are here to stay I'm ok with accepting that and moving forward and not doing stupid things just because they screwed them up previously. I do not see it as an admission of failure. Can go several ways with the pick being a WR at 10. Do you think the GM of the Texans feels selecting Will Fuller in the first round while having DeAndre Hopkins is a form of admission to failing? I just see it as adding more ammo for Tyrod or whomever the QB is going forward in the future, which would mean no excuses. Replacing Robert Woods with a Corey Davis, Zay Jones(late 1st if we trade back into the late 20s or 2nd round), or Mike Williams isn't a failure, won't know for sure until the season starts but it isn't a bad idea. Edited April 25, 2017 by Captain Murica
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) I do not see it as an admission of failure. Can go several ways with the pick being a WR at 10. Do you think the GM of the Texans feels selecting Will Fuller in the first round while having DeAndre Hopkins is a form of admission to failing? I just think that's a different situation entirely. They didn't trade up for Hopkins. He was drafted much later than our scheduled first round pick, he was taken 27th. The Bills invested a ton in Sammy Watkins. The Texans also boast a playoff caliber defense and a team largely limited solely by their QB. I would argue the Bills are one of the five worst teams talent/cap wise heading into 17'. Edited April 25, 2017 by Commonsense
BillsFan17 Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 I can't speak for an entire fanbase but I certainly wouldn't be upset with it. I could see why they wouldn't do it though. Drafting a WR with the 10th overall pick is also an admission of failure...and once again I wouldn't hate it. If it's Corey Davis. Whaley and company have failed but if they are here to stay I'm ok with accepting that and moving forward and not doing stupid things just because they screwed them up previously. In a day in age where teams are spreading the ball all over the field with spread formations- you think adding another elite weapon would be a failure? I mean off the top of my head, Boldin- Still drafted Fitz Jackson- Still drafted Maclin White- Still drafted Julio Harrison- Still drafted Wayne I mean, let's not act like we would be the first team to add a first round WR whIle having a top flight guy already at the position.
KollegeStudnet Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 We need a homerun in this draft. It's a must.
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 It's not a bad idea because Sammy has been injured one way or another for the majority of his career. Sure, he has suited up on Sunday's but how many full weeks of practice has he had? If the value is there at 10 it would be tempting to select a WR and have an alternate plan. In a day in age where teams are spreading the ball all over the field with spread formations- you think adding another elite weapon would be a failure? I mean off the top of my head, Boldin- Still drafted Fitz Jackson- Still drafted Maclin White- Still drafted Julio Harrison- Still drafted Wayne I mean, let's not act like we would be the first team to add a first round WR whIle having a top flight guy already at the position. It would be 3 out of the last 4 1st round picks going to the WR position. That is going to get Lions mentions. Sure those guys sucked but if the Bills go WR at 10 that means Watkins wasn't able to produce as expected. A WR as good as Sammy should only need complimentary pieces in the passing game. Another first round WR and the highest paid guaranteed contract to a TE? How bad does TT suck? Or is it Watkins injury history?
BillsFan17 Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) It's not a bad idea because Sammy has been injured one way or another for the majority of his career. Sure, he has suited up on Sunday's but how many full weeks of practice has he had? If the value is there at 10 it would be tempting to select a WR and have an alternate plan. It would be 3 out of the last 4 1st round picks going to the WR position. That is going to get Lions mentions. Sure those guys sucked but if the Bills go WR at 10 that means Watkins wasn't able to produce as expected. A WR as good as Sammy should only need complimentary pieces in the passing game. Another first round WR and the highest paid guaranteed contract to a TE? How bad does TT suck? Or is it Watkins injury history? I understand the line of thinking because we traded an additional first while swapping first round picks with the Browns. However, that isn't the same as taking WR year after year. Especially considering we lost a former second rounder to a handsome payday from the Rams. Pointing out Sammy injury history lends it self even more towards possibly needing another legit passing option. Not for nothing, surrounding your team with BPA will always workout more than drafting for need, especially when you can have multiple of that position on the field at once. That's why it would be justified taking another edge despite taking Shaq last year. You have multiple fronts we can utilize and you can never have enough guys getting after the QB. More or less, you have to take BPA. Edited April 25, 2017 by BillsFan17
LEBills Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is awesome. Beat the great Reggie White's sack record. Would be more than ok with him in the first. It may not seem like it but i think DLine is one of our biggest needs, both end and tackle.
RyanC883 Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 Yes. Interesting fact: he has more sacks v. SEC opponents than Myles Garrett.
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) I understand the line of thinking because we traded an additional first while swapping first round picks with the Browns. However, that isn't the same as taking WR year after year. Especially considering we lost a former second rounder to a handsome payday from the Rams. Pointing out Sammy injury history lends it self even more towards possibly needing another legit passing option. Not for nothing, surrounding your team with BPA will always workout more than drafting for need, especially when you can have multiple of that position on the field at once. That's fine, but I have a hard time believing a GM who tells me Lawson/Ragland were 1 and 2 on his wish list. What Woods got from the Rams is in line with what teams are willing to pay for WR2 in FA. See Sanu etc. I don't like that price tag and a team like the Bills can find good value in the draft. I was begging for Boyd in the second last year and mentioned many times that Woods wouldn't get paid here. This draft isn't even as important to me, the Bills are transitioning again and they have to many holes to fill. I hope they swing for the fences with an early QB. Whaley doesn't have enough wiggle room to draft true BPA and have a long term approach. Which is why I wanted him gone. Edited April 25, 2017 by Commonsense
Domdab99 Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 "...wind up being the sleeper pick of them a WHAT???" Don't leave me hanging, here.
njbuff Posted April 25, 2017 Author Posted April 25, 2017 Sleeper pick of them "all" I was so excited to post this thread that I forgot to finish the title. Lol
Watkins_deep Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 Its not a sleeper pick. He could be the most talented pure passrusher along with reddick. You can never have enough big time pass rushers. The 07 giants were a ball control team tht had a devastating front four as far as a pass rush. In theory if u dont have a franchise qb, get after the qb then...
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