JM2009 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Vic CarucciVerified account @viccarucci 4m4 minutes ago More Taylor on #Bills' possible loss of Gillislee: "Hopefully we can get him back." But says he understands biz aspect of situation.
akm0404 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 To challenge the assertion that most teams are paying their back-up running backs $3-4m per year, the facts indicate otherwise. According to spotrac.com, only two teams in the NFL have two running backs with cap hits of $3m or more. Both of these teams employ nearly a 50/50 timeshare. Eagles - Sproles/Matthews Jets - Forte/Powell My research indicates that no team is paying a running back with a 20% or less carry share anywhere near $4m.
Doc Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 There are at least 4, but that's not really the point. The point is more that recent backup RB contracts are absolutely in that vicinity. Now as I've said, one can make a salient argument that the team can't afford to pay a backup $4M for this upcoming season when they're paying the starter $9M, and it's worth discussing. IMO, looking at next year, when the cap hit drops to $2.5M and the cap goes up, we'll be happy they did it. This. Again the Cheaters are paying Rex Burkhead $3.15M.
PolishDave Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Scott Swenson @ScottSwenson4 29m29 minutes ago More Incognito says there are guys on this roster that can run the ball beyond Gillislee. @news4buffalo
akm0404 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 And to address those that say, "All we needed was to spend an extra $900k on that second round tender!", despite no teams really ever doing this. $900k alone gets you the next season of each of these running backs: Tevin Coleman Jerrick McKinnon David Johnson James White Matt Jones Rob Kelley Jay Ajayi Thomas Rawls Paul Perkins Jordan Howard And I can already hear you saying, "But these guys are on super team-friendly rookie contracts!" All the more reason to build talent through the draft, right? A 5th round pick sure might help turn some bloated backup contracts into sweet upside laden rookie deals, no?
thebandit27 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 To challenge the assertion that most teams are paying their back-up running backs $3-4m per year, the facts indicate otherwise. According to spotrac.com, only two teams in the NFL have two running backs with cap hits of $3m or more. Both of these teams employ nearly a 50/50 timeshare. Eagles - Sproles/Matthews Jets - Forte/Powell My research indicates that no team is paying a running back with a 20% or less carry share anywhere near $4m. You need to look at AAV and not just cap hit. Guys like Theo Riddick--who were supposed to be backups before injuries hit--are getting that much in AAV.
akm0404 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) You need to look at AAV and not just cap hit. Guys like Theo Riddick--who were supposed to be backups before injuries hit--are getting that much in AAV. Riddick was always going to be in a timeshare with a clear role (all passing down work, all hurry up) injury or not. Not entirely sure Ameer Abdullah's role and stature in that offense is remotely comparable to McCoy's in ours. Edit: In all games Riddick played (including two he was injured in), he averaged >50% more carries than Gillislee. Edit 2: And, he averaged more than 5 catches in each of those games as well. Edited April 20, 2017 by akm0404
Romie Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Im just wondering. Did Gillislee have the offensive playbook? Because that would easily be worth 4 million dollars.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Im just wondering. Did Gillislee have the offensive playbook? Because that would easily be worth 4 million dollars. the playbook for an OC that got fired and then his replacement left? Why exactly is that worth anything?
slaphappy Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 LOL! The more this gets said, the more people get added to the stupid list. They shouldn't, but that's not how the world works. Again, any other team but the Cheaters and they more than likely let him walk. But you're going to have a hard time getting a player of MG's caliber with a late 5th round pick. Sure you might get lucky, but odds are you won't. MG was a 5th round pick wasn't he? I don't think you pay him for the same reason you usually don't draft a running back in the first round.
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 MG was a 5th round pick wasn't he? I don't think you pay him for the same reason you usually don't draft a running back in the first round. Slaphaps with the back hand.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 MG was a 5th round pick wasn't he? I don't think you pay him for the same reason you usually don't draft a running back in the first round. Welcome. Yes, he was. And he didn't make the Dolphins or Cardinals rosters. Then he came here as depth behind our 5th round pick Karlos WIlliams. Then he replaced Karlos because Karlos ate Eddie Lacy. Now he's getting paid and I'm happy for him.
Dablitzkrieg Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Respect the process guys...respect the process
reddogblitz Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 That must be why Billicheat does not mind losing draft picks? Washington used use same philosophy for a while but that was before current free agency agreement. The Over the Hill Gang. I saw George put into the HOF the same day as Jimbo.
NoSaint Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Riddick was always going to be in a timeshare with a clear role (all passing down work, all hurry up) injury or not. Not entirely sure Ameer Abdullah's role and stature in that offense is remotely comparable to McCoy's in ours. Edit: In all games Riddick played (including two he was injured in), he averaged >50% more carries than Gillislee. Edit 2: And, he averaged more than 5 catches in each of those games as well. so, if you remove a bunch of situations, and look at cap hit instead of average value, there are only a few that fit? bandit isnt arguing that a TON of RB2 are getting paid like that, simply that enough are that its not fair to pretend we would be the only one. its not the norm, but its not incredibly rare either as a middle ground we can settle on?
ndirish1978 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 I'm so surprised this thread made it to 75 pages and didn't wind up as 17 separate duplicate threads
PromoTheRobot Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 He is McCoys backup, you know hamstring McCoy, one cut from IR. And He goes to NE to join Gilmore on their way to Superbowl again. And destroying the Bills and laughing while they do it. And if we keep Gillislee, this changes how?
ndirish1978 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 And if we keep Gillislee, this changes how? If we keep him we have a competent backup to step in should McCoy get hurt. What other answer were you expecting?
PromoTheRobot Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 If we keep him we have a competent backup to step in should McCoy get hurt. What other answer were you expecting? I get that part. It's the Pats "laughing and destroying us" part that doesn't change.
Doc Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 MG was a 5th round pick wasn't he? I don't think you pay him for the same reason you usually don't draft a running back in the first round. You can find good to great players drafted in every round. Does that mean you should count on finding one in that round, when you have one already in-hand? That's the point. Why accept a 5th rounder that will in all likelihood bust when you can keep a guy who you know will produce because he's done it 2 years in a row for you?
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