without a drought Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 soooo... did we lose him for sure? When do the Bills need to make a decision to match or not to match? The bills made the decision when they put the fifth round tender on him. It's raining. Also there are a bunch of frustrated Bills fans. It would've cost an extra $900k this season to have given Gillislee a second round tender instead of original round (5th). Now the Bills have to decide between paying him even more or losing him and gaining a 5th round pick. It's not the end of the world, but it was a mistake (which I pointed out at the time of tender) and I'm frustrated with watching Whaley repeatedly make such mistakes. Unless you don't see it as a mistake.
papazoid Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Wow, is this thread going to go longer than the mario thread? no way F5
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 I think many facets of the personnel approach they've taken this offseason have been ill-advised. - I would never have been in the Ricky Wagner running for $9M/year. - I'd have taken a different course with Gillislee - I never would've gone near Ducasse - I would've tried to focus on cap casualties like Bethea etc to take advantage of the comp pick formula Not saying I'm right and Whaley's wrong, but I haven't really liked the general path this offseason...that's not to say that some of the signings haven't been good ones. What would your Gillislee course have been? Just curious.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 This is about our former backup RB. If you think TT is the best FA the Bills have signed in 10 years please show me why in another thread. 1. This is simply a false Bills fan myth. It takes what 1 second to hand the ball off and another second for the RB to hit the LOS correct? if you call 2 seconds slowly developing a hole your very mistaken. 2. MG can't hold McCoy's jock strap. MG is a completely different change of pace back to McCoy. One that throws the opposing D off after taking numerous snaps against one of the premiere running backs in the league. 3. See #1. the OL is average at pass protection but top 5 hands down in the league at run blocking. Selling the line short whom dominate at run blocking is sad man. Of course it's false. But you don't go to him for an honest discussion on Shady. He does everything he can to minimize the impact Shady has on the team, because he said he was washed up before he ever stepped foot in Buffalo and being right is the most important thing, even more so than being honest. At least to Badol.
plenzmd1 Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Wow, is this thread going to go longer than the mario thread? i have been out of it for a day..and that was my thought The bills made the decision when they put the fifth round tender on him. Not really...had the Blount taken the Pats offer, Gillie not signed by anyone else.
Riverboat Richie Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 If the Bills wanted to keep Gillislee, or Hogan for that matter, they would have paid them and it would have never come to this. They don't value these guys as much the fans for a reason.
thebandit27 Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 What would your Gillislee course have been? Just curious. As I've said a few times in this thread (and given how long it is it's understandable if anyone missed it), I said very early in the offseason that I'd offer him a 2-year, $4.5M deal that was fully guaranteed. I'd have kept the cap hit low for 2017--lower than the original-round tender at $1.5M--and let the 2018 cap figure climb to $3M. The incentive to sign is that it's more guaranteed money in case he gets injured in the preseason.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 For those criticizing Williams regarding his ball security, he was considered mediocre-poor regarding his fumbling in college ---- 1 in every 72 touches. Who knows if it improves if he played in 2015 - but it wasn't considered a strength. The 2 fumbles last year would likely stand to be an outlier from limited production, not necessarily a trend that he's going to fumble once every 15 touches. One was in a game we were leading by 29 points and had taken everyone out, and another was in a game where the team gave up on week 17. He also saw the field a bit less after the fumble against SF. However from a similar perspective - Gillislee in his 2 years playing in the NFL has fumbled 1 in every 81.5 touches. Not exactly the most amazing ball security either.
without a drought Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 i have been out of it for a day..and that was my thought Not really...had the Blount taken the Pats offer, Gillie not signed by anyone else. The Bills made a decision as to his worth, not to get rid of him.
FireChan Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 This is about our former backup RB. If you think TT is the best FA the Bills have signed in 10 years please show me why in another thread. 1. This is simply a false Bills fan myth. It takes what 1 second to hand the ball off and another second for the RB to hit the LOS correct? if you call 2 seconds slowly developing a hole your very mistaken. 2. MG can't hold McCoy's jock strap. MG is a completely different change of pace back to McCoy. One that throws the opposing D off after taking numerous snaps against one of the premiere running backs in the league. 3. See #1. the OL is average at pass protection but top 5 hands down in the league at run blocking. Selling the line short whom dominate at run blocking is sad man. I think TT is the second best FA QB signed in the league in the last 10 years. I'm not sure there's an argument otherwise.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 As I've said a few times in this thread (and given how long it is it's understandable if anyone missed it), I said very early in the offseason that I'd offer him a 2-year, $4.5M deal that was fully guaranteed. I'd have kept the cap hit low for 2017--lower than the original-round tender at $1.5M--and let the 2018 cap figure climb to $3M. The incentive to sign is that it's more guaranteed money in case he gets injured in the preseason. While it guarantees a low-ish hit for a backup/spell/short yardage back, you're also fully guaranteeing a contract for 2018 when he may not be able to play. How would it have been structured to give him more money in 2017? I assume low base salary in 2018? He just got 2-years and 6... so his agent probably wanted more from the get-go. What is the incentive to sign?
thebandit27 Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 While it guarantees a low-ish hit for a backup/spell/short yardage back, you're also fully guaranteeing a contract for 2018 when he may not be able to play. How would it have been structured to give him more money in 2017? I assume low base salary in 2018? He just got 2-years and 6... so his agent probably wanted more from the get-go. What is the incentive to sign? He gets more guaranteed money than either the OR or 2nd round tender in case of an injury prior to the season. If they moved quickly on it (say, in January), I think he'd have taken it. If he didn't, then you slap the 2nd round tender on him and you're good to go.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 He gets more guaranteed money than either the OR or 2nd round tender in case of an injury prior to the season. If they moved quickly on it (say, in January), I think he'd have taken it. If he didn't, then you slap the 2nd round tender on him and you're good to go. Right - I'm saying... until he's tendered his agent won't let him sign anything (the goal is to be on the open market). When you tender him at the 2nd round tender the negotiations start at 3mil per year (roughly what the 2nd round tender is). He'd get no interest on the RFA market, and he likely walks in a year because we probably don't want to pay a 27 year old back-up RB that much.
reddogblitz Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 He had twice as many lost fumbles as he had TDs. 2 Fumbles on 28 touches. Boy needs to invest in Stickum or Tiki Barber Training... Or join the unemployment line with Bryce Brown.
Beef Jerky Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 I just want the 5th round pick. The Bills are about to pull a fast one on the Patriots. That much money for a dime a dozen RB.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Or join the unemployment line with Bryce Brown. He fumbled 5 times in 4 seasons... about 1 every 60 touches which is pretty bad. The fact that one cost us a game makes it that much worse.
Bill_with_it Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Riddick was essentially the starter in Detroit, leading the team in attempts and yards despite injury. Powell was the most similar to our scenario, but he had 32% of his teams attempts vs. 20% for Gillislee. Burkhead's salary is based on being part of perhaps a 4-headed Patriots rushing attack. Sproles/Matthews more of a timeshare as well, with 34% Matthews, 22% Sproles. $4m would still be a hefty price to pay for a 20% share backup RB, especially in light of McCoy's MUCH higher salary than any of the other "starters" on those listed teams. Gill had 101 attempts Mccoy had 234. All the rbs together had 362 attempts. Mccoy had 65 percent and Gill had 28 percent. Might want to brush up on those math skills. I don't pretend to understand BB's mind. But there is no way they'd get into a bidding war over a second string RB. They just did. The one upd the bills offer and are willing to give up a draft pick.
Beef Jerky Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) He fumbled 5 times in 4 seasons... about 1 every 60 touches which is pretty bad. The fact that one cost us a game makes it that much worse.But like backup QB the backup RB is the most important position according to some Bills fans here. We don't want a starter... Just keep the backup. Edited April 19, 2017 by Beef Jerky
thebandit27 Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Right - I'm saying... until he's tendered his agent won't let him sign anything (the goal is to be on the open market). When you tender him at the 2nd round tender the negotiations start at 3mil per year (roughly what the 2nd round tender is). He'd get no interest on the RFA market, and he likely walks in a year because we probably don't want to pay a 27 year old back-up RB that much. I was saying to offer him that contract in lieu of any of the tenders...back in January before the RFA tender period.
Luxy312 Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 I like Gillislee, but there's no way you pay a backup running back $4m.
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