PolishDave Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 54 damn pages over a backup RB? Come on folks, I know its a week before the draft but damn... As you can tell, there isn't much left to talk about that hasn't been already.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Because the pick is now part of the deal. It wasn't before, but it is now. If we lose him - we get a pick. If we keep him... we keep him and lose nothing. Lose him = trade and acquisition of a pick. Keep him = keeping your own player and loss of nothing except cap space. It is nothing like a trade.
HappyDays Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Gillislee was a nobody, but he may be the next Arian Foster, who quickly became an non-journeyman. Karlos was a talented player with huge character red flags who still got drafted. I don't think it's the same as "two bums." IMO. Lol ok he "could be" the next Arian Foster. Let's wait and see. Even if he is the next Arian Foster he isn't worth 40 pages. You can be realistic about this. It's the freaking backup RB. There is no way losing Gillislee is the difference this year. No way.
CommonCents Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 His AAV is $3M, which is standard for a backup RB It's fine if you don't want to pay that for Gilly, but it's hardly out of whack for market value. I'm surprised you haven't dumped all the advance stats on the board like you do for Sammy! From what I have seen Gilly ranked really well last season, if I'm remembering correctly he was the best back after contact.
NewEra Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Maybe, just maybe.....the Bills value a 5th rd pick more than having gillislee for 1 season. If they deemed him not worthy of the money he wanted why wouldn't they cut ties and get a pick for him. Sure, the 2017 team will be hurt because of the loss, but the pick could help the team beyond 2017. Maybe, just maybe......the Bills are planing for the future and the future doesn't involve the backup RB getting paid 3.2 mill a year While the starter is getting paid 9 a year.
PromoTheRobot Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 I'm no fan of Cowherd, but he makes a really interesting point about all of this, and I think it makes a ton of sense: http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/04/new_england_patriots_working_over_poorly_run_buffalo_bills_says_colin_cowherd.html "Cowherd believes that Belichick has lost interest in draft picks after the collective bargaining agreement made things more "pro player" by eliminating the number of practices and amount of hitting that takes place. Instead of teaching rookies, Cowherd believes that Belichick prefers to get veterans who understand the game." But, but what about the percentage of players you drafted being on your roster? Tim Graham said it was critical.
BuffaloFan68 Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 I like G-money, really do but with our current roster, it's hard to justify anything over $2.5mil/yr, just can't do it. NEXT... Go Bills!!!!!
HappyDays Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 They were both talented. CC Reggie Bush CC Jonathan Williams CC Boom Herron CC Boobie Dixon CC Cierre Wood All those guys had such great success! Swing and a miss, these players came onto the field for mop up duty. When they were on the field everyone knew we were running. With Gillislee on the field teams had no clue what we were doing. I don't know why you're bringing up Dixon and Herron and Wood anyways since they were last year when we had Karlos and we easily replaced him... I have no clue how Jon Williams will look from here on out. But Gillislee himself didn't do anything his first couple years in the league. Just admit you're making a bigger deal out of this than necessary... In your quest to find every possible worst case scenario you have stumbled into an argument about the backup QB. Surely there are more worthwhile concerns this year.
PolishDave Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Maybe, just maybe.....the Bills value a 5th rd pick more than having gillislee for 1 season. If they deemed him not worthy of the money he wanted why wouldn't they cut ties and get a pick for him. Sure, the 2017 team will be hurt because of the loss, but the pick could help the team beyond 2017. Maybe, just maybe......the Bills are planing for the future and the future doesn't involve the backup RB getting paid 3.2 mill a year While the starter is getting paid 9 a year. This is what I think is happening too. The Bills don't think MG is irreplaceable. This whole thing isn't really a big deal. It only becomes a big deal if the next back to replace him ends up sucking big time like Reggie Bush. If the replacement back is decent, which I would expect him to be, then I think the replacement will quickly get us to forget about Mike G.
Rob's House Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Dude, You are making an analogy that suggests you think Mike Gillislee is as good of running back as Peyton Manning was a quarterback. Um..... No Pure silliness. I hope this is tongue in cheek.
Riverboat Richie Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Maybe, just maybe.....the Bills value a 5th rd pick more than having gillislee for 1 season. If they deemed him not worthy of the money he wanted why wouldn't they cut ties and get a pick for him. Sure, the 2017 team will be hurt because of the loss, but the pick could help the team beyond 2017. Maybe, just maybe......the Bills are planing for the future and the future doesn't involve the backup RB getting paid 3.2 mill a year While the starter is getting paid 9 a year. One other thing. If the coaching staff wanted him they would not be in this situation. Seems to me they feel it's no big deal if they lose him. If they really want him they match the offer. I'm sure they have some say on what happens.
aristocrat Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 His AAV is $3M, which is standard for a backup RB It's fine if you don't want to pay that for Gilly, but it's hardly out of whack for market value. I'm surprised you haven't dumped all the advance stats on the board like you do for Sammy! From what I have seen Gilly ranked really well last season, if I'm remembering correctly he was the best back after contact. We'd be the first team in the league to pay their backup that much money according to Sal. So it's not the going rate Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
NoSaint Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 This is what I think is happening too. The Bills don't think MG is irreplaceable. This whole thing isn't really a big deal. It only becomes a big deal if the next back to replace him ends up sucking big time like Reggie Bush. If the replacement back is decent, which I would expect him to be, then I think the replacement will quickly get us to forget about Mike G. I tend to agree but if you are expecting a guy to play a role, why even open the door to that issue instead of simply rendering slightly higher? Now it's late April and you have to figure it out. If a guy is expected to play and not just a 3rd string deep on the depth chart developmental or special teams guy-- just pick him up. With the trio of hogan, groy and MG we'd have been better off as a group simply having all 3 here
NoSaint Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 We'd be the first team in the league to pay their backup that much money according to Sal. So it's not the going rate Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIn free agency in 2017 maybe but RB2s have gotten that money. Hell, look at the spiller deal in New Orleans when he left here to be ingrams change of pace
PromoTheRobot Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Fire Chan loves to lump in guys who were emergency street free agents to fill in due to injury with guys who were actively scouted. It's like treating Kyle Orton as some long-considered front office decision instead of the desperation signing he was.
FireChan Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) Lol ok he "could be" the next Arian Foster. Let's wait and see. Even if he is the next Arian Foster he isn't worth 40 pages. You can be realistic about this. It's the freaking backup RB. There is no way losing Gillislee is the difference this year. No way. You could make this argument about 46 Bills. But all those cuts add up. Swing and a miss, these players came onto the field for mop up duty. When they were on the field everyone knew we were running. With Gillislee on the field teams had no clue what we were doing. I don't know why you're bringing up Dixon and Herron and Wood anyways since they were last year when we had Karlos and we easily replaced him... I have no clue how Jon Williams will look from here on out. But Gillislee himself didn't do anything his first couple years in the league. Just admit you're making a bigger deal out of this than necessary... In your quest to find every possible worst case scenario you have stumbled into an argument about the backup QB. Surely there are more worthwhile concerns this year. When Boom Herron was on the field, they "knew we were running?" What? We didn't replace Karlos. We still have not. We have a team where the #2 RB probably has the most importance among the league. That's not an ounce of hyperbole. Calling it just a "backup" is not fair. The Bills are a better team in 2016 with MG as our #2 RB. Period. Edited April 19, 2017 by FireChan
bisonbrigade Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 They did win the super bowl without him and gilmore last year. Are they really the guys putting them over the top? YUP. and weakening the Bills. Hogan, Gilmore, Gillislee. The Bills are the minor league farm team of the Pats. What a joke.
filthymcnasty08 Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 I really hope that the weakness that does the Pats in this year ....is starting QB. come on Father Time...where the @#$% are you!!!!
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Bill Belichik spoke at the Ohio State coach's clinic last week and said something I found kind of interesting, since we have seen kind of different approach from them this offseason. He said that at this point in his career, he wants to coach players he likes. Insinuating that he really has nothing left to prove, but he still wants to coach, and he doesn't feel the need to deal with any players he "doesn't like" just because they are talented, something he did in the past when he felt pressure to win. He also said he trusts certain programs and college coaches and prefers to draft from them over others which narrows down his prospects but he likes it that way. I think being successful enables him to dabble with different things. He doesn't seem like the type to just sit back and say lets stick with what works. Kudos to him for realizing things will evolve and you need to be looking ahead at what you need to do.
BillsVet Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) This reminds me of the Chargers. They kept LT 1 year too long and let go of michael turner. Turner went on to have 4-5 strong years with Atlanta, and LT was gone the next year and out of the NFL 2 years later. I'd rather get rid of a RB a year early than a year late, and keep the younger RB. Especially one thats average 5.7 per carry the last 2 years Yep. So many fans don't expect their GM to anticipate problems and then act surprised when a player can't get it done anymore. Yet these are the same people calling for a CEO's head whose business doesn't improve and they're paid too much. A NFL GM should be expected to assess his roster and who is improving or regressing. And naturally, to plan accordingly. Is it that hard for a guy in the NFL 20+ years to anticipate a 29 year old back with balky hamstrings might need (EDIT: a quality) backup at a position which probably has the greatest probability of injury? A position where they're hit on just about every carry? Is that too much for this GM? Especially considering they're set up to be a run first team? GM's need to operate in the here and now while keeping an eye on the future. I don't sense Whaley does much of the later because he's too concerned about keeping his job to make bold decisions like moving on from a player before it's too late. Things that make you go hmmmm..... Karlos Williams - 93 attempts for 517 yards (5.6 avg.) and 7 TD, 11 receptions for 96 yards and 2 TD. 613 total yards and 9 total touchdowns. Mike Gillislee - 101 attempts for 577 yards (5.7 avg.) and 8 TD, 9 receptions for 50 yards and 1 TD. 627 total yards and 9 total touchdowns. Karlos Williams - a guy who can barely find a home on an NFL roster. Mike Gillislee - a guy who couldn't find a home on an NFL roster. Is it maybe, just maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe possible that you don't need top tier talent to be a productive backup running back in Buffalo? More fans defining conflation. Karlos and Gillislee had similar stats. Ergo, the same. Right. Edited April 19, 2017 by BillsVet
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