Riverboat Richie Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 If you believe a QB can be a franchise QB you don't wait till the 2nd or 3rd round. It's a phrase. Don't take it out of context. Rex deserved to be fired. It depends on how bad a team needs a player that is available when their pick comes up. If they decide another position would be strengthened more at the time then that will be the pick. Then if a QB is therein the next round then you have to decide what his potential benefit is to you. You are so obsessed with the QB position that you are blind to anything else. Like I said before, you can't just wish things to turn out the way you want. If I could I wouldn't be wasting it on what a football team needs, believe me!
xRUSHx Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) He actually said this in 2015, and since you literally say this All the time, I thought maybe you'd want to read the actual quote in full - "We are almost in quarterback purgatory. We're good enough that we're not going to have the first or second [overall] pick," Whaley told WGR 550 on Wednesday. "We hope we're not in that position. Hopefully now we're drafting in the teens and the 20s and the 30s. So you're not going to get those college guys that are coming out. "Franchise quarterbacks hit the free-agent market? Name one. Unless they have an injury. So it's going to be an onus on our scouting staff to find a guy in the lower first round, second or third round. We accept that challenge. It's where we are, and it's been good that we have enough talent around that we're in that situation, but it's not an easy answer. There isn't [one]." http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13382343/buffalo-bills-almost-quarterback-purgatory-gm-doug-whaley-says It's nice that you found this piece from WGR in 2015 but this was a regurgitated statement in this interview that he first made on his first day of being GM. He made the QB purgatory statement day one of him being GM when he addressed the media. This 2015 was just him blasting those same words again because he knew he still hasn't addressed it well enough and the purgatory was still relevant in 2015 so yes he said it again but it's not the real first statement I'm talking about.It depends on how bad a team needs a player that is available when their pick comes up. If they decide another position would be strengthened more at the time then that will be the pick. Then if a QB is therein the next round then you have to decide what his potential benefit is to you. You are so obsessed with the QB position that you are blind to anything else. Like I said before, you can't just wish things to turn out the way you want. If I could I wouldn't be wasting it on what a football team needs, believe me!Many fans are obsessed with the QB position because it's the most important position in football, if you don't have a good one the rest of the team just doesn't matter. Edited April 23, 2017 by xRUSHx
xRUSHx Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 Dude, you literally just said it 30 minutes ago in this same thread... So your still trying to turn it around, you said that I said the Bills should have kept Rex and let Tyrod go. I never said that. In that statement you used that was what I was addressing. SMH your arguing just to argue.I'm not trying to explain to you anymore because I know your blind in Tyrod, I don't agree that Tyrod is not part of the problem like you do. So in my opinion Tyrod is not the savior Of the Bills, he is not a franchise worthy QB, he is just not good enough. You can blame everyone else all you want but truth is the D, coaching and YES Tyrod is why the last staff got fired.
xRUSHx Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 QB purgatory. Is that what the kids are calling it now days? You guys sound like you believe the BS about QBs being gone by pick 44. There is no gaurentee that the first QB taken is a "Franchise" guy. I seriously doubt even the Brown think highly enough of these guys as to take one at number one. Someone will be there in the second round and I think one or two might be there in the third. The draft always seems to be the opposite of what the pre draft expectations are. I'm only saying I would not take one at #10 this year. And the only way to do that is a QB at #10 this year? Why not the second or third round? If you're talking project anyway. I respect your opinion because it's a message board everyone has one. It's your opinion that they will fall lower in the draft while many think the top 4 will be gone by 44 considering how many teams will go after QB. Waiting too long is why Whaley always misses out on the better QBs, waiting for next year's class is why this team can NEVER get a better QB because the next year's class ends up not so go when it's time to draft them. In my opinion what he was saying is he is ok with a QB drafted this season sitting this year behind Tyrod even though he feels the Tyrod experiment should have been done with, he is saying sit him not because a top pick isn't good enough it's just because Tyrod is still a factor here on contract. Just how I understand his opinion on the statement
BillsFan4 Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) It's nice that you found this piece from WGR in 2015 but this was a regurgitated statement in this interview that he first made on his first day of being GM. He made the QB purgatory statement day one of him being GM when he addressed the media. This 2015 was just him blasting those same words again because he knew he still hasn't addressed it well enough and the purgatory was still relevant in 2015 so yes he said it again but it's not the real first statement I'm talking about. Many fans are obsessed with the QB position because it's the most important position in football, if you don't have a good one the rest of the team just doesn't matter. How is that a regurgitated statement when that was the first time he ever said it? It was at Bills camp in August 2015. He said it to WGR Radio and it was a BIG story. There were like 15 articles written about it the same day. Everyone was taking it out of context (like some still are today). Whaley took a ton of heat for that statement. That was the first and last time he ever said anything about QB purgatory.... lol There were even a couple of threads posted here about it - http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/179641-85-doug-whaley-on-wgr/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/179652-whaley-admits-what-weve-suspected-bills-in-qb-purgatory/ So your still trying to turn it around, you said that I said the Bills should have kept Rex and let Tyrod go. I never said that. In that statement you used that was what I was addressing. SMH your arguing just to argue. I'm not trying to explain to you anymore because I know your blind in Tyrod, I don't agree that Tyrod is not part of the problem like you do. So in my opinion Tyrod is not the savior Of the Bills, he is not a franchise worthy QB, he is just not good enough. You can blame everyone else all you want but truth is the D, coaching and YES Tyrod is why the last staff got fired. I never said any of that stuff. You have me confused with someone else. That was a poster named YattaOkasan. I was just pointing out that in your original post you did in fact say that Tyrod got the coaching staff fired, and you didn't mention anything about the D or coaching. You only blamed Tyrod. Edited April 23, 2017 by BillsFan4
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 So you should never draft a QB in the second, third or fourth rounds? Maybe the Bills don't believe there is a high likelihood that any of these guys has the makings of a franchise QB. If so, they aren't by any means alone in that opinion. I'll go out on a limb and say that there is an excellent chance that the best QB in this class won't be selected in the first round. Rex was fired because he's a bad football coach, not because he lacked a franchise QB or because of "high expectations." I would take Josh Dobbs in the 4th. My point still stands. If you believe a QB has franchise potential and you can draft them in the 1st you draft them. You don't wait and hope. I know this sounds crazy but this is standard thinking in the NFL. The Bills are unique in that they think they can win with other teams backups at QB. It's a bizarre faith that had kept them out of the playoffs for almost 20 years.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) I'm ok with a top QB sitting this year since they are trying once again on Tyrod. I agree a top 10 QB should start on a normal team but and that's a big BUT with Buffalo in this QB purgatory and staffs changing every few years with a million year playoff drought this team has to keep pushing for a franchise worthy QB. They have to keep trying if they don't this staff is no different then the last few banking it all on a mircle season out of another teams backup QB with no future to think of. Late round projects most likely turn into backups but Buffalos late round projects end up out of the league. same ****, different day... Edited April 23, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973
papazoid Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 it's a QB driven league the QB touches the ball an ave 60 times a game. your #1 WR touches the ball 10 times a game ? your #2 WR touches the ball 5 times a game ? and yet there are those who don't want to invest a high draft pick (1st or 2nd round) in a QB
oldmanfan Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 More teams have gotten burned taking QBs too high than have been successful. Way more.
Riverboat Richie Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 I would take Josh Dobbs in the 4th. My point still stands. If you believe a QB has franchise potential and you can draft them in the 1st you draft them. You don't wait and hope. I know this sounds crazy but this is standard thinking in the NFL. The Bills are unique in that they think they can win with other teams backups at QB. It's a bizarre faith that had kept them out of the playoffs for almost 20 years. Your point may be valid but that doesn't mean the Bills believe that any of these guys are franchise guys. They believed Losman had it and that EJ had it. They drafted them and the boards turned on them when these guys didn't make it. What one believes doesn't make it so. You can't take something that isn't there. You will again be disappointed. Again you want a QB just to take a QB. You're blinded by that obsession.
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 Your point may be valid but that doesn't mean the Bills believe that any of these guys are franchise guys. They believed Losman had it and that EJ had it. They drafted them and the boards turned on them when these guys didn't make it. What one believes doesn't make it so. You can't take something that isn't there. You will again be disappointed. Again you want a QB just to take a QB. You're blinded by that obsession. You don't want to draft a QB because of JP Losman? He was drafted 13 years ago. Time to move on. It sounds like you are so scarred by missing on draft picks from ten years ago that you don't want to draft a QB. When you miss on a QB it doesn't mean you need to wait 20 years before you try again.
Rob's House Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 Not from me! If I would fault him for anything, it'd be on Carr - a clear first round talent who I firmly believe dropped because of his brother and the fact that said brother went to the same school. That's judging a type, not an individual. In retrospect, Carr merited a first round pick on production and clear physical talent alone. But every other team passed on him too. That's no excuse. Only a few teams were in a similar position at QB as the Bills.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 So you should never draft a QB in the second, third or fourth rounds? Maybe the Bills don't believe there is a high likelihood that any of these guys has the makings of a franchise QB. If so, they aren't by any means alone in that opinion. I'll go out on a limb and say that there is an excellent chance that the best QB in this class won't be selected in the first round. Rex was fired because he's a bad football coach, not because he lacked a franchise QB or because of "high expectations." ....EXACTLY....and wasn't he the purveyor of TT as HIS QB?........dismantling a formidable defense because it was not his antiquated system was Asinine 101........if he focused on the offense and developing HIS QB, he may still be here (although I hated the hire from day 1)..............
Riverboat Richie Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 You don't want to draft a QB because of JP Losman? He was drafted 13 years ago. Time to move on. It sounds like you are so scarred by missing on draft picks from ten years ago that you don't want to draft a QB. When you miss on a QB it doesn't mean you need to wait 20 years before you try again. You don't get it. It's not about the name of the guy. It's what can happen when you take a guy out of desperation. It's a reminder that it could and does go either way. You want to pick one because of Wilson and Prescott? Same thing.Teams know more about these guys then you will ever know. But that's what happens when you think like a fan. Hey, if you're happy with the pick one just to pick one mentality then, more power to you. Buyer beware.
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 That's no excuse. Only a few teams were in a similar position at QB as the Bills. And there is a prospect whose profile reads like Derek Carr in this class. How many franchise QB's can Whaley pass on before he is fired? You don't get it. It's not about the name of the guy. It's what can happen when you take a guy out of desperation. It's a reminder that it could and does go either way. You want to pick one because of Wilson and Prescott? Same thing.Teams know more about these guys then you will ever know. But that's what happens when you think like a fan. Hey, if you're happy with the pick one just to pick one mentality then, more power to you. Buyer beware. There's plenty of QB threads on this board where we discuss why we like some of these prospects. I don't recall ever saying I want a QB to just get one. I have been on record as stating if Mahomes and Trubisky were gone at ten I would trade back.
Riverboat Richie Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 And there is a prospect whose profile reads like Derek Carr in this class. How many franchise QB's can Whaley pass on before he is fired? There's plenty of QB threads on this board where we discuss why we like some of these prospects. I don't recall ever saying I want a QB to just get one. I have been on record as stating if Mahomes and Trubisky were gone at ten I would trade back. That's what every post of your's reads like. Oh and if these two are that good and can't miss guys, they won't be there at 10 anyway. Look at the teams interested in the QB position prior to the Bills pick.
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 That's what every post of your's reads like. Oh and if these two are that good and can't miss guys, they won't be there at 10 anyway. Look at the teams interested in the QB position prior to the Bills pick. Except you completely misstated my position, other than that...
Riverboat Richie Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 Except you completely misstated my position, other than that... They will not take a QB at #10 and that is my opinion. I would not pass on someone that can help me now. Which one of your favorites will do better than the ones on the roster as of today? How long before thy even show any sign of being your "Franchise" guy?
jeffismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 They will not take a QB at #10 and that is my opinion. I would not pass on someone that can help me now. Which one of your favorites will do better than the ones on the roster as of today? How long before thy even show any sign of being your "Franchise" guy? I think if we draft Mahomes or Trubisky they would win the #2 spot on the roster. I would expect Mahomes or Trubisky to be inserted into the Bills lineup around week 9 or week 10 as the Bills could have a 1-7 record by then.
Riverboat Richie Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 I think if we draft Mahomes or Trubisky they would win the #2 spot on the roster. I would expect Mahomes or Trubisky to be inserted into the Bills lineup around week 9 or week 10 as the Bills could have a 1-7 record by then. Ha HA, 1-7 all because of the QB? They didn't do that bad last year and they had a train Wrecks for a game day coach. I would think I need to fill more holes on the team before I draft a QB at that point. By the time the rest of the team catches up it will be time to draft another QB. If you're 1-7 you have bigger problem than a QB.
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