FireChan Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 It doesn't change what I said. You hire people to make those decisions. They are more qualified to do the job. The CEO of an airline isn't more qualified to fly a plane than the pilot. Sports are different from other businesses in that your assets are your liabilities. I think that's fair Chan. That's why I bring it up. Pegula likes to be involved. For better or for worse, that's who runs our team. He likes his HC and GM to make independent arguments, and he picks the winner.
OldTimer1960 Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 Huh? There was a recent article where Houston's owner said that they signed Osweiler to his big FA contract without really sitting down to get to know him. Remember, they were in a fierce bidding war w Denver and thought that they stole him.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 I get your point but if I owned a team, I'd do the exact same thing. You have the final say on everything, wouldn't you want it on the most important player on your team?Yeah, just not at his private workout. If he is strongly being considered, one of their visits should be used on him. At that point TP can interview him. He shouldn't have an opinion other than signing off on any prospect. Character is the only thing that he is qualified to speak on.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 Yeah, just not at his private workout. If he is strongly being considered, one of their visits should be used on him. At that point TP can interview him. He shouldn't have an opinion other than signing off on any prospect. Character is the only thing that he is qualified to speak on. Not trying to be funny here but why not? Have NFL scouts or GMs really proven to be experts at evaluating qbs? I mean if TP overruled all the scouts and GMs to chose a guy, I totally get your point. But I think we completely overrated how hard it is to be a scout given all the information any normal person has at their disposal.
Rigotz Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 This doesn't necessarily mean we care about Trubisky and it doesn't even mean that we are in the market for a QB.Trubisky has value. If people think that we're considering a QB at #10 they will either try to hop us and bump another solid prospect down, or trade with us ... which I think is the end game here.Lots of smoke this time of year. Don't forget.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 Not trying to be funny here but why not? Have NFL scouts or GMs really proven to be experts at evaluating qbs? I mean if TP overruled all the scouts and GMs to chose a guy, I totally get your point. But I think we completely overrated how hard it is to be a scout given all the information any normal person has at their disposal. I keep going back to it but why have a GM or personnel director if you are ultimately going to decide anyways? I think my pilot example is a good one.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 He is not better. He is a RB who throws the ball. Running backs playing QB don't make the Pro Bowl 2x. But, thanks for you contribution.
TheFunPolice Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 You don't stick 25 cents in a machine and pull out a QB LOL. Posts like this crack me up, if it were this easy every team would do it. Wow. I thought it was easy to do and we just weren't doing it, but now you come along and suggest it's tough.... I'm going to need a minute.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 I keep going back to it but why have a GM or personnel director if you are ultimately going to decide anyways? I think my pilot example is a good one. If they are considering a qb in the 1st, I think TO should have a final input. Obviously, I want the scouts and GMs to be the ones in charge but it's such an important position that I have no problem with TP being involved in the process. But if he is overruling Whaley, then it's a major problem. Hopefully, it won't come to that.
JohnC Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 Yeah, just not at his private workout. If he is strongly being considered, one of their visits should be used on him. At that point TP can interview him. He shouldn't have an opinion other than signing off on any prospect. Character is the only thing that he is qualified to speak on. I don't understand your criticism of the owner being at the workout. If the Bills are serious on using their first pick on a qb (I hope) then meeting him at a workout and at an interview session in Buffalo will give the owner a good sense of the player as a person. It's certainly not a secret that the Bills don't currently have a franchise qb. Shamefully, the Bills haven't had a franchise qb for over twenty years. And I guarantee you that everyone in the league and outside of it are aware of that fact. So everyone in the league is aware that the Bills might use a high pick on a qb. The qb position is different from all the other positions. It is the face of the franchise. So the owner wanting to get a better feel of the qb as a person is a relevant issue for him to be involved in. The more the owner can meet with the player the better judgment he can make on the player beyond his football abilities.
BillsFan17 Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 Not to read too much into this but our director of communications came from Philly. Last year around this time a photo emerged of Carson Wentz out to dinner with Pederson and the owner Jeff Lurie when they went to visit. Eagles did nothing to hide this. Similar, in a way. Bills RTd that photo of McD and Pegs at UNC. http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/03/31/photos-lurie-pederson-roseman-carson-wentz/ Never forget... Lurie and Roseman were 'mutually obsessed' with getting Carson Wentz http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/lurie-and-roseman-were-mutually-obsessed-getting-carson-wentz Thing is, philly traded up twice, if we had made that move I would believe the correlation. They didn't hide wanting Wentz and did what they had to do to secure him. We are sitting at ten and have, in one way or the other been linked to two other QBs as well.
YoloinOhio Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Thing is, philly traded up twice, if we had made that move I would believe the correlation. They didn't hide wanting Wentz and did what they had to do to secure him. We are sitting at ten and have, in one way or the other been linked to two other QBs as well. they had just worked out Goff as well that same week. Had not said they wanted Wentz and were still (at least publically) considering Goff. Obviously they had no choice in the end, anyway. The bigger point is the involvement the owner had in the QB visits of those they were really interested in, and the public nature of it. With Boyko running the show. Edited April 10, 2017 by YoloinOhio
BillsfanAZ Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 I keep going back to it but why have a GM or personnel director if you are ultimately going to decide anyways? I think my pilot example is a good one. Pilots may fly the planes but the CEO decides what kind of pilots should represent the airlines. A CEO doesnt need to know how to fly to determine character, safety record, work ethic, ect. As far as talent goes, he can leave it to other people to tell him of a pilots skills.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 Met with Trubisky and the next day we sign T.J. Yates. Not sure if that means anything or not but that now gives us 3 QBs on roster. If we were to draft another one we would likely have to get rid of Cardale Jones. ...why not got into camp with 4?.....one eventually goes, one to PS and two on active roster.........
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 If they are considering a qb in the 1st, I think TO should have a final input. Obviously, I want the scouts and GMs to be the ones in charge but it's such an important position that I have no problem with TP being involved in the process. But if he is overruling Whaley, then it's a major problem. Hopefully, it won't come to that. I guess that's where it's sketchy to me. What if TP loves Trubisky but Whaley prefers Watson? Pilots may fly the planes but the CEO decides what kind of pilots should represent the airlines. A CEO doesnt need to know how to fly to determine character, safety record, work ethic, ect. As far as talent goes, he can leave it to other people to tell him of a pilots skills. Well said I don't understand your criticism of the owner being at the workout. If the Bills are serious on using their first pick on a qb (I hope) then meeting him at a workout and at an interview session in Buffalo will give the owner a good sense of the player as a person. It's certainly not a secret that the Bills don't currently have a franchise qb. Shamefully, the Bills haven't had a franchise qb for over twenty years. And I guarantee you that everyone in the league and outside of it are aware of that fact. So everyone in the league is aware that the Bills might use a high pick on a qb. The qb position is different from all the other positions. It is the face of the franchise. So the owner wanting to get a better feel of the qb as a person is a relevant issue for him to be involved in. The more the owner can meet with the player the better judgment he can make on the player beyond his football abilities. I know that I sound like a broken record but what is TP's role in the process? If he prefers a certain guy does he ultimately make the call? If so, that's a problem.
FireChan Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 I guess that's where it's sketchy to me. What if TP loves Trubisky but Whaley prefers Watson? Well said I know that I sound like a broken record but what is TP's role in the process? If he prefers a certain guy does he ultimately make the call? If so, that's a problem. Then we're taking Mitch.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 I guess that's where it's sketchy to me. What if TP loves Trubisky but Whaley prefers Watson? Well said I know that I sound like a broken record but what is TP's role in the process? If he prefers a certain guy does he ultimately make the call? If so, that's a problem. That's where I think you need to trust you GM to make the call or you make the call/ fire GM.
Kemp2Warlick Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 Louis RiddickVerified account @LRiddickESPN 2m2 minutes ago More For all the talk about Trubisky's limited resume/starts, I sure am hearing that his football intellect and memory/recall are very very good.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 That's where I think you need to trust you GM to make the call or you make the call/ fire GM.100% agree
TDRupp Posted April 10, 2017 Posted April 10, 2017 I am sure Pegula is there to watch and get a feel for the young man. Let McDermott and crew determine his football IQ and Pegula can get a feel for what kind of person he is. Some people will put down Pegula for going but how else is he going to broaden his football horizons? Pegula will never be a scout or a coach, he doesnt need to be, but getting an understanding of what coaches are looking for goes a long ways in making decisions. Exactly. He should be letting football people make the football decisions but he should meet them and look him in the eyes and see what he thinks about him before becoming the potential face of the franchise.
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