norton20 Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Good points, but, nothing to do with the OPs question. He is advocating trading picks this year for picks next year(s). My bad. I favor trading picks this year for more picks this year. They only have 6 which is not enough for the holes they have. In a deep draft like this one, you can find quality with only slight gradations of difference in talent, for many of the rounds. Why get one guy if you can get more and fill more holes depth wise at least?
Augie Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Yes., yes, yes....Do it twice. Get a good player in round 1 who can help right away. And, in this draft you want multiple round 2&3 picks because there is a lot of value . But the actual question (in the fine print) is about gaining picks in 2018 to pick up a QB. That changes things, but I wonder how many people realized that before voting? Trading back is almost a no-brainier under most scenarios. For a QB next year? Tougher question. (But still a maybe!) Edited April 16, 2017 by Augie
Augie Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Trade back for picks this year? Absolutely. Trade back for future picks? Absolutely not. I would say....that all depends on the deal. For the right deal, I like more picks this year, AND I like another 1st in (supposedly) a better QB year. But you have to know both sides of the deal.
jethro_tull Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) steve it depends. i would like to see them get an impact, immediate starter WR in the first round, if one is still on the board and they can trade down for an extra rd 2 pick then go for it, and pick up a QB and a safety in rd 2. but they need an immediate impact receiver or the draft is a failure for helping this season. Edited April 15, 2017 by jethro_tull
Jerry Jabber Posted April 15, 2017 Author Posted April 15, 2017 steve it depends. i would like to see them get an impact, immediate starter WR in the first round, if one is still on the board and they can trade down for an extra rd 2 pick then go for it, and pick up a QB and a safety in rd 2. but they need an immediate impact receiver or the draft is a failure for helping this season. I agree 100% about the need for WR, especially with Watkins being injury prone. Teams need to have at least two good WR's, especially if one gets injured.
Augie Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 ....and we won't know for 2-5 years if we did the right thing. So there's that.
bisonbrigade Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Bills should trade down in every round and stack up picks for this year and in 2018 as they will be terrible and unwatchable this year. Edited April 15, 2017 by bisonbrigade
Big Turk Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 This isn't Madden. You can't just say "I want to trade my pick" and then automatically make it happen, there has to be another team that is willing to trade up to take your pick, and pay the price you are asking for.
Boatdrinks Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 This isn't Madden. You can't just say "I want to trade my pick" and then automatically make it happen, there has to be another team that is willing to trade up to take your pick, and pay the price you are asking for. Exactly, which is why these types of threads are ridiculous.
Jerry Jabber Posted April 15, 2017 Author Posted April 15, 2017 Exactly, which is why these types of threads are ridiculous. Belichek has traded down numerous times throughout the years and it's worked out great for the Patriots. Maybe you should tell Bill the NFL is not Madden.
dpberr Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 I voted no. The team is playing for 2017 and you're asking a GM to get several higher picks right in this scenario versus one high pick. I'd rather the Bills focus on getting #10 spot on with a guy who helps this year. I'd feel different if they didn't resign Taylor, Alexander and Kyle Williams retired.
OldTimer1960 Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Belichek has traded down numerous times throughout the years and it's worked out great for the Patriots. Maybe you should tell Bill the NFL is not Madden.Please cite some specifics of how it has "worked out great". From my vantage point, what has worked out great is the throwaway 6th round pick on Tom Brady. I do not think that the Pats' drafts have been that great beyond Brady and Gronk. Having the GOAT QB covers a LOT of weaknesses and Bellichick is THE master at finding players that aren't very good in other schemes and making them work - especially in his defense. What NE has done well is trading picks in round n this year for picks a round earlier the following year (e.g. This year's (late) second for a first next year). How many fans and reporters (opinioners) would melt down on the Bills for such a deal? (They need help NOW, who will play THIS year? They will probably mess up the extra 1st next year anyway. But the drought...)
jethro_tull Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 This isn't Madden. You can't just say "I want to trade my pick" and then automatically make it happen, there has to be another team that is willing to trade up to take your pick, and pay the price you are asking for. Really? Well thanks for pointing that out. Do you really believe that the OP thinks the NFL draft works like an effin video game and that the Bills can trade down with the push of their wireless controller?
Beef Jerky Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 Belichek has traded down numerous times throughout the years and it's worked out great for the Patriots. Maybe you should tell Bill the NFL is not Madden. He hasn't done as great as you think...
biggerdaddynj Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 With the "not for a next year's pick crowd"--this year for sure (barring Adams or one of the other elites dropping to us).
KellyToughII Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 If Dennison says one of these guys can end up running his system, and can get us where we want to go over time, then stay at 10 and take the quarterback
Cripple Creek Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 My bad. I favor trading picks this year for more picks this year. They only have 6 which is not enough for the holes they have. In a deep draft like this one, you can find quality with only slight gradations of difference in talent, for many of the rounds. Why get one guy if you can get more and fill more holes depth wise at least? I'm right there with you.
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 This is a broad question imo, it will all depend who falls to us and there is always a player/players who fall for whatever reason. You don't just trade down to collect more picks when you get a top 5 value fall to you unless what you're getting is way to good to pass up. If we pass on a guy like Allen or Lattimore just to recoup our 4th rounder then it's a stupid idea, If we can manage to get a lower 1st but also get the teams 2nd in a deal then yes of course I'd be all for that.
Freddie's Dead Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 We should, but knowing Whaley, we trade this year's and next year's #1 and #4 to move up for Trubisky....
Cripple Creek Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 Really? Well thanks for pointing that out. Do you really believe that the OP thinks the NFL draft works like an effin video game and that the Bills can trade down with the push of their wireless controller? Gotta be one in every crowd jethro.
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