iinii Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 He won a national championship.The list of college QBs that won National Championships and washed out at the next level is fairly long.
BUFFALOKIE Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Who ever thought about a Cardale thread? Boy I'm glad you brought this subject up, because the other 10 active threads were not quite enough. Edited April 15, 2017 by BUFFALOKIE
Mike in Horseheads Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Aside from perhaps Trubisky [and he's no sure thing] these are all project QB's in the draft. Â We've already got one on the roster, Cardale Jones, who people say has a huge ceiling, and who looked like what you'd expect in his one quarter of play in late '16: a confident athlete with a monster arm but raw. I'm not saying he's going to be a great one, but why do many people [including the media] with no access his work on the practice field or classroom write him off already in favor of another raw QB? Â There's only so many snaps at practice and so much time the QB coach can give these players...why add another raw rookie? Â Aside from perhaps Trubisky [and he's no sure thing] these are all project QB's in the draft. Â We've already got one on the roster, Cardale Jones, who people say has a huge ceiling, and who looked like what you'd expect in his one quarter of play in late '16: a confident athlete with a monster arm but raw. I'm not saying he's going to be a great one, but why do many people [including the media] with no access his work on the practice field or classroom write him off already in favor of another raw QB? Â There's only so many snaps at practice and so much time the QB coach can give these players...why add another raw rookie? He's ahem... might be worse than EJ
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Original thought. Obviously needs a thread.     why draft a raw QB when we've got Cardale on the roster  he'll be cut...just my opinion. Edited April 15, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973
BillsFan4 Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 I find physical talents to be so overrated when it comes to QBs. We see guys come and go every year with all the physical tools you could ever want but don't have the accuracy or decision making to consistently succeed. Agree. Physical tools and "Measurables" are nice and all, and it's great if somehow you can find that QB with all the right measurables/physical tools that's also a fantastic QB, but... Â I'll take a little bit shorter, less athletic QB with smaller hands who is smart, accurate and shows some ability to diagnose defensive coverages, go through his progressions + find his open receivers (or throw them open) over a tall, freakishly athletic, physically gifted, inaccurate, 1 read (and then run) QB any day! Â It seems like maybe sometimes scouts/GMs/coaches get too caught up in some stupid "QB draft rules" guideline and overlook some good QB prospects because he doesn't check certain boxes. But maybe they had the wrong boxes on the checklist in the first place...? lol.
Bangarang Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 I think Mahomes and Watson are quite polished. Kizer not so much. I could be content with Davis Webb as well. Mahomes is the complete opposite of polished
Augie Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Agree. Physical tools and "Measurables" are nice and all, and it's great if somehow you can find that QB with all the right measurables/physical tools that's also a fantastic QB, but... I'll take a little bit shorter, less athletic QB with smaller hands who is smart, accurate and shows some ability to diagnose defensive coverages, go through his progressions + find his open receivers (or throw them open) over a tall, freakishly athletic, physically gifted, inaccurate, 1 read (and then run) QB any day! It seems like maybe sometimes scouts/GMs/coaches get too caught up in some stupid "QB draft rules" guideline and overlook some good QB prospects because he doesn't check certain boxes. But maybe they had the wrong boxes on the checklist in the first place...? lol. Â WHOA! Enough of the silly talk! You mean you'd settle for Joe Montana? Drew Brees? Do you know how slow Brady is? Â Â A great QB needs it between the ears, first and foremost. But for some that can develop later, so you pick some guys with the tools.....and pray.
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Was Cardale considered an elite prospect coming out of High School?3 star. They are divided into pro style and dual threat QBs now though so don't remember ranking Edited April 15, 2017 by YoloinOhio
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 The Yates signing was smart as heck, or obvious.  What does it mean it Yates is second man up? Does that keep Cardale from running with the ones for another year? and is that enough to say Jones aint gonna cut it? Or does it suggest they want Yates to be teaching the system this season  this should be a mantra for us. they need 4 viable QBs in camp in case one gets hurt, I expect they add a rookie. Having a vet backup who isn't trying to fight fight for the starting job, but who knows the offense, is critical.
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) His mechanics and accuracy aren't very good, granted you can work on those things to a degree but it's not as teachable as many scouts use to think. Hopefully they can give him 2 more years to working within the system and work on the basics of accuracy and mechanics. His OC in 2015 was an OL coach trying to drive a Ferrari through a corn field. Had Tom Herman not left for an HC job after the natty things would have been a bit different for Cardale in 2015. Edited April 15, 2017 by YoloinOhio
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Def not ready to give up on C. Jones....not this early  we do need competition at the position though
HT02 Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 The knock I've read about him in addition to his accuracy is that he doesn't read defenses very well, makes bad decisions and isn't the hardest worker. I hope the Bills continue to draft QB's until they get it right. Let Jones earn the back-up role.
Threedollabills Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Â Stop making people afraid to post!! Word
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Aside from perhaps Trubisky [and he's no sure thing] these are all project QB's in the draft. Â We've already got one on the roster, Cardale Jones, who people say has a huge ceiling, and who looked like what you'd expect in his one quarter of play in late '16: a confident athlete with a monster arm but raw. I'm not saying he's going to be a great one, but why do many people [including the media] with no access his work on the practice field or classroom write him off already in favor of another raw QB? Â There's only so many snaps at practice and so much time the QB coach can give these players...why add another raw rookie? Â 'Cuz maybe you think they have higher ceiling, or you're discouraged about Cardale's development? Â One of the things I always hated was the Bills "Highlander" QB philosophy where they would acquire a guy and not draft anyone else until guy1 had several years to develop. You see the remnants of this philosophy in Fitz, which resulted in the "must draft QB" that selected EJ. Agree. Physical tools and "Measurables" are nice and all, and it's great if somehow you can find that QB with all the right measurables/physical tools that's also a fantastic QB, but... Â I'll take a little bit shorter, less athletic QB with smaller hands who is smart, accurate and shows some ability to diagnose defensive coverages, go through his progressions + find his open receivers (or throw them open) over a tall, freakishly athletic, physically gifted, inaccurate, 1 read (and then run) QB any day! Â It seems like maybe sometimes scouts/GMs/coaches get too caught up in some stupid "QB draft rules" guideline and overlook some good QB prospects because he doesn't check certain boxes. But maybe they had the wrong boxes on the checklist in the first place...? lol. Â Amen. The classic expression of this philosophy was the evaluation of Blaine Gabbert in 2011: "he looks like you want your QB to look" Â Too bad he never played like it. I think similar of EJ.
PromoTheRobot Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Did you watch the Jets game? That was after a whole season to get ready. If you think that Jets appearance meant anything, I don't know what to say.
Big Turk Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Aside from perhaps Trubisky [and he's no sure thing] these are all project QB's in the draft. Â We've already got one on the roster, Cardale Jones, who people say has a huge ceiling, and who looked like what you'd expect in his one quarter of play in late '16: a confident athlete with a monster arm but raw. I'm not saying he's going to be a great one, but why do many people [including the media] with no access his work on the practice field or classroom write him off already in favor of another raw QB? Â There's only so many snaps at practice and so much time the QB coach can give these players...why add another raw rookie? Â Maybe because they realize Cardale sucks?
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) He usually throws in warmups at the Spring Game. I'm here so we will see how he looks. For the grumpy ones I know it means nothing. Â Edit: easily won halftime throwing contest. Flicked it 66 yards flat footed Edited April 15, 2017 by YoloinOhio
stuvian Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Mahomes is the complete opposite of polished Mahomes knows how to look off his first option unlike Kizer
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) He looks fat. I will tell you who looks fat, and that is Zeke Elliott. 👀👀 Edited April 15, 2017 by YoloinOhio
Bangarang Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Mahomes knows how to look off his first option unlike Kizer Kizer's footwork and pocket presence are miles ahead of Mahomes'. Not sure how your point indicates Mahomes is quite polished as was stated earlier. Edited April 15, 2017 by Bangarang
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