GETTOTHE50 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 sammy watkins is the best player on the bills offense. hes right there with mccoy. how can you not keep him. i mean id be pick up his 5th year option after his first year, if i could.
BarleyNY Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Seems like a no-brainer to me. What would WR corps look like without Sammy Watkins right now? Pretty darn simple, unless, of course, they are working on a long term deal. Picking up his 5th year option would not preclude him signing a LTD. He is eligible to sign a LTD now. Players have to complete their 3rd league year before doing so and he's done that. Also of note: the option is guaranteed for injury only and may be rescinded up until the first day of the league year of the option. That's a day in early March 2018 for Watkins. No reason not to pick it up now. As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't make sense to do a LTD for him yet though.
njbuff Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Picking up his 5th year option would not preclude him signing a LTD. He is eligible to sign a LTD now. Players have to complete their 3rd league year before doing so and he's done that. Also of note: the option is guaranteed for injury only and may be rescinded up until the first day of the league year of the option. That's a day in early March 2018 for Watkins. No reason not to pick it up now. As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't make sense to do a LTD for him yet though. Then this is a story about nothing with what you said here.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) My mind is telling me to pass on the option. If hes can produce as well as everyone thinking he can and remain healthy enough to benefit the team on the field, hes foing to coat us regardless. So tag him next year (not guaranteed for injury), vice giving him 13 mil fully guaranteed, let his play and body do the talking. Best case scenario for all involved its an extra 3 mil (sammy produces), worst case Sammy folds up and we can reclaim some money so we dont have Justin Hunter as our number one the rest of the year. Either way its a one year rental with an ability to extend. Only difference is one optionnis guaranteed against injury the other isnt. With Sammys injury history im much more in the wait and see mode versus outting us in undue cap hell for someone that might not be able to produce.We keep going trough this but it IS guaranteed for a football related injury (which his is). It's a pre-existing condition. That clause is for JPP scenarios. Or decline the option but try and work out a long term with him which I believe they are now allowed to do?I'm not sure. I think that would be new if so. Is that what happened with Watt? that's the best case scenario if possible. Edited April 14, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
NoSaint Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 You made a holistic declaration that was untrue as you have evey time I have interacted with you. Its in the rule book. If the bills were against the cap they could take it to arbitration hence the money isnt guaranteed. You explained nothing you reached by using one of the most obscure stats that you came up with that isnt a stat that determines a wrs worth. If it was then Jordi nelson, Malcom Floyd, Marquise Colston, Vincent Jackson, and Henry Allard would have been paid top money. They havent because GMs dont recognize that stat as an indication of worth. Didn't Jackson get a tag and then an 11m+ deal making him a top 3-4(?) paid WR at the time? Jordy Nelson was at least edge of top ten when inking his as was colston I think ..one of the collegiate expert analyticals would have to chime in with a comparative analysis of Sammy versus Julio Jones in college.......Dimitrof gave up a boatload to land Julio......how does what he gave up versus what he got in return as far as a player who has been relatively injury free versus what Whaley gave up for Sammy, with unforeseen and unpredictable injuries compare at the end of the day??... There injuries have been eerily similar honestly so it's odd you'd call one a concern and one reliable
BarleyNY Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Then this is a story about nothing with what you said here. That's about exactly how I feel. The more intriguing aspect of the situation is what the Bills should be doing to make him successful enough that he earns the deal he wants and sticks around here.
San-O Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 If they let Gilmore walk and decline Sammy's option only to take WR #10 and CB in round 2 that would be so Bills. Gilmore had as many horrible games as he had great games last year...
GunnerBill Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Gilmore had as many horrible games as he had great games last year... Nope.
mannc Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 The question is, will the Browns pick up Justin Gilbert's fifth year option?🤔
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 The question is, will the Browns pick up Justin Gilbert's fifth year option?🤔or Cam Erving's? 😴
HT02 Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Anyone that considers Sammy Watkins a Top 5-10 receiver in this league is a true homer. At some point, the guy has to prove he can stay on the field before being put in that category. He played 13 games in 2015. He played only 8 games last year, contributing a whopping 430 yards and 2 touchdowns. And he will likely miss training camp once again recovering from foot surgery. With that said, the Bills only have a few weeks (May 2) to make the decision. And at this point, they have very little to lose by granting his option. But if the trend continues, I certainly wouldn't be extending the guy after his contract is up. That was my thought when I initially read to 5-10 receiver but when you think about it could you name 10 guys you take over him for next year if you were able to sign anyone? I think Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Beckham jr, Jordy Nelson Mike Williams come to mind but after that its hard to come up with many guys who I'd rather have at WR
TSOL Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Sammy is well worth top 5 money... If he had a top 10 QB throwing to him.
T-Bomb Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 What's there to decide? Pick it up...easily a top-10 (if not top-5) WR when healthy. If you can't stay healthy, then you're not a top 10 WR...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Sammy is well worth top 5 money... If he had a top 10 QB throwing to him. Does it really need to be a top 10 qb.....a top 12 wouldnt do....or a top 15? How about a top 13?
TSOL Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Does it really need to be a top 10 qb.....a top 12 wouldnt do....or a top 15? How about a top 13? A guy that can hit him in his hands consistently, in stride, anywheres on the field. 6-8 times a game. Not 3-4. They could pay a receiver 8 million a year for 3-4 catches, dont have to pay 14 for that kind of production. Edited April 15, 2017 by Lex Lyon
8-8 Forever? Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) I'd not sign him after 5 believe me, he ain't staying after 5 in any event. forget about Watkins after his rookie contract is up. his agent will get him outta here, a la Gilmore, Peters and all before him Bills are nothing but a AAA farm team for the rest of the league. Development team. We develop our top rookies for eventual insertion into the real franchises... it has happened too many times for it not to be a legit viewpoint. Without the draft trapping a certain amount of top talent for 4 or 5 years , the Bills wouldn't have much of a team at all Edited April 15, 2017 by jmcraig44
Kirby Jackson Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 believe me, he ain't staying after 5 in any event. forget about Watkins after his rookie contract is up. his agent will get him outta here, a la Gilmore, Peters and all before him Bills are nothing but a AAA farm team for the rest of the league. Development team. We develop our top rookies for eventual insertion into the real franchises... it has happened too many times for it not to be a legit viewpoint. Without the draft trapping a certain amount of top talent for 4 or 5 years , the Bills wouldn't have much of a team at all Really? I can't remember a guy that the Bills lost because someone wanted to go elsewhere. The Bills aren't losing guys like Gilmore because their agents forced them out. They lost him because the Pats guaranteed him $40,000,000. There are some contracts that they didn't offer as much as Byrd, Gilmore, Hogan and Zach Brown. There are some others that they chose not to keep, Spiller, Chandler, EJ, and Fitz come to mind. The assertion that they are losing talent left and right as a farm system is wrong. They have done what every single team in the league does, apply a value to a player and if they can come to terms they sign them. This Buffalo inferitoy complex has got to stop. Guys are going to play where the best contract and opportunity is. I thought we were beyond this once Mario Williams signed?
Bill from NYC Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 I'm far from a college expert but Sammy was an absolute animal in college. He far outproduced Jones. http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/sammy-watkins-1.html http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/julio-jones-1.html Julio has the edge in physical skills however. But Sammy was really, really good as a receiver prospect along the lines of Julio and AJ green. Other than Derrick Henry, not too many Crimson Tide players are going to put up gigantic numbers because there is just so much talent there. Coaches have room to call plays to any number of gifted players on every down. I saw every game Jones played in college and he was great the second he walked on the field. As you say, his physical skills are unreal. Do you see how high he can get to catch a football? And do keep your eye on Amari Cooper as well. It wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to be as good as Jones. Watkins has amazing talent. He really can get open. I have no problem with a healthy Watkins but I'm not so sure I would consider him as good as Jones. Jmo.
thebandit27 Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 believe me, he ain't staying after 5 in any event. forget about Watkins after his rookie contract is up. his agent will get him outta here, a la Gilmore, Peters and all before him Bills are nothing but a AAA farm team for the rest of the league. Development team. We develop our top rookies for eventual insertion into the real franchises... it has happened too many times for it not to be a legit viewpoint. Without the draft trapping a certain amount of top talent for 4 or 5 years , the Bills wouldn't have much of a team at all Why don't you provide a list of players that corroborates your stance.
GunnerBill Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Why don't you provide a list of players that corroborates your stance.Peters 2008. . . . . . . Maybe, at a stretch considering the point he is making, Gilmore 2017. Happens all the time and so is a "legitimate" point of view. Wake me up when he backs down. Edited April 15, 2017 by GunnerBill
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