C.Biscuit97 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 IMO, not having a great QB is no reason to let a great player walk out the door. Keep the great ones! Yeah, because you don't have a great qb, you should potentially let a great wr walk? It's not about just one year. If you draft a young qb, he would do much better walking into a situation with Sammy than without him. Side note. I'm 6'1" 205 lbs and believe I'm in pretty good shape. I've been into Sammy a few times when I've been out in Buffalo. He is every inch of 6'1" and might be taller. And he's a thick dude who doesn't really even look like a receiver. I'm bigger than Darby and it is pretty clear that Sammy can physically dominate cbs.
chris heff Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 If the Bills don't pick up his option, that would indicate that Whaley is done.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Yeah, because you don't have a great qb, you should potentially let a great wr walk? It's not about just one year. If you draft a young qb, he would do much better walking into a situation with Sammy than without him. Side note. I'm 6'1" 205 lbs and believe I'm in pretty good shape. I've been into Sammy a few times when I've been out in Buffalo. He is every inch of 6'1" and might be taller. And he's a thick dude who doesn't really even look like a receiver. I'm bigger than Darby and it is pretty clear that Sammy can physically dominate cbs. I thought about it the other day and no one ever says "our pass rush stinks so let's not get good corners" or "the DBs stink so don't bother to rush the passer." You hear it all of the time with pass catchers. The reality is you should get as many good players as you can at as many positions as possible.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 I thought about it the other day and no one ever says "our pass rush stinks so let's not get good corners" or "the DBs stink so don't bother to rush the passer." You hear it all of the time with pass catchers. The reality is you should get as many good players as you can at as many positions as possible. Yeah, it blows my mind. You can't build a roster with only one year in mind. But that's why I don't want to draft a receiver high. You keep Sammy and then bring a few receivers in the draft. If you have Sammy, Holmes, Clay, and a few guys in the draft (say my guys OJ Howard, Josh Reynolds, & another wr), that's a very solid group. Especially for a team that doesn't throw a lot. JMO.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Yeah, it blows my mind. You can't build a roster with only one year in mind. But that's why I don't want to draft a receiver high. You keep Sammy and then bring a few receivers in the draft. If you have Sammy, Holmes, Clay, and a few guys in the draft (say my guys OJ Howard, Josh Reynolds, & another wr), that's a very solid group. Especially for a team that doesn't throw a lot. JMO. I think that is fair. It makes total sense. Part of the appeal of Howard is his impact on the run game as well. That would have the makings of a nice offense.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 I think that is fair. It makes total sense. Part of the appeal of Howard is his impact on the run game as well. That would have the makings of a nice offense. Exactly. That's why I love OJ too and would prefer him over a wr. Dual threat and every team should have good 2 TEs. So much versatility. And I think Holmes was a good pickup. He just got replaced by 2 really good WRs. While you can do better than him, he is a good #2 or #3 for what our team does.
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 To me it's not Sammy's fault GM Doug Whaley traded up to get him, I loved the trade when it happened, now in hindsight I see it wasn't a great idea but at the time he was the consensus best WR in the draft, to be fair the last regime really handcuffed Tyrod also but it looks like were gearing up for another run heavy season also so who knows, I think Sammy can be great but kind of worthless in a run first offense, how can we not be thinking 5th year option though? What is the plan other than drafting a WR at 10 to replace him? My problem is there just never seems to be a plan in place, hopefully this will change with McDermott since he says himself how methodical he is about approaching everything.
3rdand12 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 I think that is fair. It makes total sense. Part of the appeal of Howard is his impact on the run game as well. That would have the makings of a nice offense. Howard picked by the Bills seems a nice fit. But perhaps there will be a line to get him as he could help many teams
Kirby Jackson Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) need a, see how this yr goes optionThey have to decide by May 2nd Edited April 14, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 ..in my view, ANY General Manager the woefully fails to predict injury to any one of his draft choices should be fired on the spot...he should be cited for incompetence and dereliction of duty...it is that simple,,,,,,,,,,,,,
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 need a, see how this yr goes option If you want longer, you might screw yourself if he has a big year. If the Bills believe his foot is healthy, they should start negotiating a long term deal now. It could save a lot of money.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 If you want longer, you might screw yourself if he has a big year. If the Bills believe his foot is healthy, they should start negotiating a long term deal now. It could save a lot of money. then I would say no because he hasn't done much yet and could get injured again.
Bill_with_it Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 ..in my view, ANY General Manager the woefully fails to predict injury to any one of his draft choices should be fired on the spot...he should be cited for incompetence and dereliction of duty...it is that simple,,,,,,,,,,,,,Nope but banking on an oft injured wr that hasnt shown his body has the propensity to be healthy enough for his team to benefit from him beingnon the team and handing him a fully guaranteed check in the way of an option when there are other options available is dereliction of duty.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) Nope but banking on an oft injured wr that hasnt shown his body has the propensity to be healthy enough for his team to benefit from him beingnon the team and handing him a fully guaranteed check in the way of an option when there are other options available is dereliction of duty.So your options are guarantee $13M by May 2nd, tag him next year (think it's $16M guaranteed) or let him walk. Edited April 14, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) ..one of the collegiate expert analyticals would have to chime in with a comparative analysis of Sammy versus Julio Jones in college.......Dimitrof gave up a boatload to land Julio......how does what he gave up versus what he got in return as far as a player who has been relatively injury free versus what Whaley gave up for Sammy, with unforeseen and unpredictable injuries compare at the end of the day??... Edited April 14, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Bill_with_it Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 So your options are guarantee $13M by May 2nd, tag him next year (think it's $16M guaranteed) or let him walk.My mind is telling me to pass on the option. If hes can produce as well as everyone thinking he can and remain healthy enough to benefit the team on the field, hes foing to coat us regardless. So tag him next year (not guaranteed for injury), vice giving him 13 mil fully guaranteed, let his play and body do the talking. Best case scenario for all involved its an extra 3 mil (sammy produces), worst case Sammy folds up and we can reclaim some money so we dont have Justin Hunter as our number one the rest of the year. Either way its a one year rental with an ability to extend. Only difference is one optionnis guaranteed against injury the other isnt. With Sammys injury history im much more in the wait and see mode versus outting us in undue cap hell for someone that might not be able to produce.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 ..one of the collegiate expert analyticals would have to chime in with a comparative analysis of Sammy versus Julio Jones in college.......Dimitrof gave up a boatload to land Julio......how does what he gave up versus what he got in return as far as a player who has been relatively injury free versus what Whaley gave up for Sammy, with unforeseen and unpredictable injuries compare at the end of the day??... I'm far from a college expert but Sammy was an absolute animal in college. He far outproduced Jones. http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/sammy-watkins-1.html http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/julio-jones-1.html Julio has the edge in physical skills however. But Sammy was really, really good as a receiver prospect along the lines of Julio and AJ green.
GunnerBill Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 So your options are guarantee $13M by May 2nd, tag him next year (think it's $16M guaranteed) or let him walk. Or decline the option but try and work out a long term with him which I believe they are now allowed to do?
njbuff Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Seems like a no-brainer to me. What would WR corps look like without Sammy Watkins right now? Pretty darn simple, unless, of course, they are working on a long term deal.
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