TheElectricCompany Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 I don't disagree with any of this. It's why I hate the idea of drafting another receiver at 10. How a wr produces is not totally all about the talent of the receiver. I believe Sammy has top 5 ability and it would be stupid to give up on that. But no, he hasn't consistently shown that but I don't think it's entirely his fault. I've posed this before but if the Bills draft Mike Williams or Davis at 10 & the Packers or Saints draft a guy like Josh Reyonlds in the 4th, would you bet on the higher drafted guy having the better career? I wouldn't. But I also believe you need blue chip players to win and Sammy is one of the few blue chip players we have. You don't get rid of them unless you have a great reason to. I also would prefer we look elsewhere at 10. With free agency and the salary cap, I think smart teams know what areas they can be weak in and still win . We are set up with a #1 running attack and should work to sustain that. You can't have a top tier passing game and running game. Pick which one is more important and roll with it. He should stay here for another two years, no doubt. He's the only speed threat we have.
Gigs Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 People seem to be hung up on the price for Watkins; which would make sense if Whaley had foresight. Can't fault him in the injuries. What if we stayed and drafted OBD and it was the same situation or he just didn't pan out? People would complain he didn't trade up for Watkins or didn't trade down. Whaley is in a lose-lose in public court for no reason
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 People seem to be hung up on the price for Watkins; which would make sense if Whaley had foresight. Can't fault him in the injuries. What if we stayed and drafted OBD and it was the same situation or he just didn't pan out? People would complain he didn't trade up for Watkins or didn't trade down. Whaley is in a lose-lose in public court for no reason This is not an honest post. The logic/idea of trading up to draft a WR #4 overall in a deep WR draft with EJ Manuel as the starting QB, with Jeff Tuel and Thad Lewis as the primary backups was questioned by numerous analysts. One, its a WR we are trading up for, but #2, we had no QB. And then to see the Bills not commit to using Watkins heavily in every game just adds to the frustration. The idea of moving up to #4 didn't make sense with no QB and the holes the team had. But then to watch Watkins struggle with health all three years, the Bills have no game plan to get him the ball regularly, switching to a ground-pound Coach, running none of the short pass RAC routes that we saw in college is beyond frustrating. He is just like CJ Spiller. Ultra-talented, but there are games you are looking at the screen saying "where is Watkins?" and that happens too much for my liking.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 ....devil's advocate....sure it is a hypothetical, BUT....let's say Sammy is 100% healthy for all 16 games (and playoffs....hoping), and has sub par numbers because TT STILL struggles to find open receivers and get him the ball....what do you do for year 5 option?...........
Seasons1992 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Is Sammy about to become the new whipping boy to the nuckle draggers? Geesh Hear! Hear! ....devil's advocate....sure it is a hypothetical, BUT....let's say Sammy is 100% healthy for all 16 games (and playoffs....hoping), and has sub par numbers because TT STILL struggles to find open receivers and get him the ball....what do you do for year 5 option?........... You pick it up. Sammy passes the eye test not only on TV, but when I attend games live.
thebandit27 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 ....devil's advocate....sure it is a hypothetical, BUT....let's say Sammy is 100% healthy for all 16 games (and playoffs....hoping), and has sub par numbers because TT STILL struggles to find open receivers and get him the ball....what do you do for year 5 option?........... It's a false hypothetical; they need to decide on his option by May 2nd.
Seasons1992 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Don't forget that the troll factor is present here and would've been there too. That doesn't account for the whole 12%, but it's part of it. Perhaps we should put a third option on this poll; "If you are a troll, vote here."
John from Riverside Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Cap figure could be a reason. I'd rather get Watkins inked to a 6 year deal prior to the end of his deal than pay him $13M base one year THEN have to spread another deal out over six years. The franchise tag is not THAT much higher than $13M. Finally....a comment that actually makes sense for reason to think about picking up the option or not
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) It's a false hypothetical; they need to decide on his option by May 2nd. ....of 2017?.....my apology....did not know that....thought 2017 would serve as evaluation year....thanks....and the tariff is $13.258 mil........hmmm.......... "McDermott was quoted saying “the next couple weeks will be big for that [discussion]. The deadline to decide on the fifth-year option, which will cost $13.258 million in 2018 is May 2." Edited April 14, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
GunnerBill Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 I'm more interested in why he has continued to get less targets than many #1 receivers in the league Yes, you can blame the coaching staff, the offensive scheme, Tyrod's ability, his injury struggles, I get that, but at some point, you have to consider that Sammy may not be all he's cracked up to be when it comes to route running, separation, rapport with his QB, etc. etc. If he was really burning corners left and right and streaking down the field wide open, he'd have all the targets he'd need to be elite. Nah he'd still have a Quarterback who holds the ball, doesn't see him and then bails a clean pocket to try and scramble for a first down.
Seasons1992 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Nah he'd still have a Quarterback who holds the ball, doesn't see him and then bails a clean pocket to try and scramble for a first down. And this is where the team is at......they have the BEST option at QB that is (as of this second, right now, today) available to them, and he's what he is. I'm happy Wrecks-everything-Ryan brought him in, and we will have to work around any shortcomings for at least one more year, and enjoy the good times he provides. I like watching him considering all the dumpster-fires we've had at QB between 2004 and 2014.
thebandit27 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 ....of 2017?.....my apology....did not know that....thought 2017 would serve as evaluation year....thanks....and the tariff is $13.258 mil........hmmm.......... "McDermott was quoted saying “the next couple weeks will be big for that [discussion]. The deadline to decide on the fifth-year option, which will cost $13.258 million in 2018 is May 2." No worries; this stuff all gets complicated
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 No worries; this stuff all gets complicated ...ESPECIALLY for a simpleton like me ....thanks for the mulligan.........................
LABILLBACKER Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 This year will dictate Sammy's future. If he can somehow squeak out 8+ tds and 1000 yards then yes activate the 5th year. But if he struggles with more injuries then it's time to cut ties.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 This year will dictate Sammy's future. If he can somehow squeak out 8+ tds and 1000 yards then yes activate the 5th year. But if he struggles with more injuries then it's time to cut ties. ...but as I was thankfully corrected, decision time is May 2 which leaves "this year" as a non-issue.......roll the dice time...............
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2017 Author Posted April 14, 2017 In a somewhat related matter: @McClain_on_NFL Texans exercised fifth-year option on Jadeveon Clowney.
dave mcbride Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 I'm more interested in why he has continued to get less targets than many #1 receivers in the league. Yes, you can blame the coaching staff, the offensive scheme, Tyrod's ability, his injury struggles, I get that, but at some point, you have to consider that Sammy may not be all he's cracked up to be when it comes to route running, separation, rapport with his QB, etc. etc. If he was really burning corners left and right and streaking down the field wide open, he'd have all the targets he'd need to be elite. This is not convincing. He is a GREAT at running routes, beatig jams, and blowing by people. That's obvious from the games. The Bills simply run the ball far more than any other team. Over the past two seasons, they have led the NFL in rushing attempts and are the bottom in passing attempts.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 ....so with $13.258 mil at stake and a QB who has yet to show he can consistently process the field and find open receivers (WR & TE), what is the correct call here?..........
thebandit27 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 ....so with $13.258 mil at stake and a QB who has yet to show he can consistently process the field and find open receivers (WR & TE), what is the correct call here?.......... IMO, not having a great QB is no reason to let a great player walk out the door. Keep the great ones!
Buffalo86 Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 ....so with $13.258 mil at stake and a QB who has yet to show he can consistently process the field and find open receivers (WR & TE), what is the correct call here?.......... One might say it's not as clear-cut as the poll results would suggest.
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