jr1 Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 how can you lose by 21 runs in the era of the shift, sabermetrics etc
row_33 Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 31 minutes ago, jr1 said: how can you lose by 21 runs in the era of the shift, sabermetrics etc I guess it doesn’t deliver Utopia stil all about throwing and hitting the crap out of the ball when it matters?
Another Fan Posted August 1, 2018 Author Posted August 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Gugny said: I actually said to myself, "at least Valentine would have made this fun." Then Callaway put Reyes in. Best move he's made since April. Can't fire his sorry ass soon enough. I know your a big Bobby V guy but the reality is I don’t think another manager like that is coming. Wally Backman never got a chance to manage in the big leagues with the organization either. Ownership seems to prefer cheaper managers just happy to have a job. Doubleday still had some say back in Bobby Vs day. I think your criticisms of Calloway are legit but idk man I’m just not optimistic firing him will solve things. 3 hours ago, row_33 said: Gotta stop hoping worn out Blue Jays greats can bail the Mets out. Batista yeah agree but Alomar from memory was still at the top of his game the year before. Olerud was here a few successful years but it seems like a really long time ago already
row_33 Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Another Fan said: I know your a big Bobby V guy but the reality is I don’t think another manager like that is coming. Wally Backman never got a chance to manage in the big leagues with the organization either. Ownership seems to prefer cheaper managers just happy to have a job. Doubleday still had some say back in Bobby Vs day. I think your criticisms of Calloway are legit but idk man I’m just not optimistic firing him will solve things. Batista yeah agree but Alomar from memory was still at the top of his game the year before. Olerud was here a few successful years but it seems like a really long time ago already forgot about Johnny O, he was the Man. Alomar was beyond his prime by his Mets years and his innate weirdness had surfaced as well, to his detriment. Roberto was probably the only pro athlete of my life in Toronto who was the top 1 or 2 at his position, in his prime, contributing mightily to a Championship, let alone two of them.
row_33 Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 --------------------------------------------------------- turned it off in the 3rd, been a long work week already tuned in for Reyes in the 8th, and Keith saying he went for scalps when a position player was pitching, mentioned one mammoth home run off (I forget) with great pride
SinceThe70s Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 Interesting aftermath to last nights drubbing. Shawn Kelley got nicked up for a few runs in the 9th and had issues with the umps over how fast he was pitching. After he gave up a HR he had a mini-tantrum and threw his glove to the ground. Today the Nat's DFA's him. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24253305/washington-nationals-dfa-shawn-kelley-throwing-tantrum-mound So somehow the Nat's managed to come away from a 25-4 whitewash of the Mets with a slightly bad taste in their mouth.
row_33 Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Interesting aftermath to last nights drubbing. Shawn Kelley got nicked up for a few runs in the 9th and had issues with the umps over how fast he was pitching. After he gave up a HR he had a mini-tantrum and threw his glove to the ground. Today the Nat's DFA's him. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24253305/washington-nationals-dfa-shawn-kelley-throwing-tantrum-mound So somehow the Nat's managed to come away from a 25-4 whitewash of the Mets with a slightly bad taste in their mouth. they are upset the team isn't playing .600 ball this year geez, i'd trade the Mets and Jays year in a heartbeat for the slightly disappointing Nats season...
Gugny Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, row_33 said: they are upset the team isn't playing .600 ball this year geez, i'd trade the Mets and Jays year in a heartbeat for the slightly disappointing Nats season... Another example of the Nats not putting up with bush league behavior. Good for them, I say. They've been a team of thugs and asssholes for years. Perhaps it's time for an image change.
row_33 Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: Another example of the Nats not putting up with bush league behavior. Good for them, I say. They've been a team of thugs and asssholes for years. Perhaps it's time for an image change. went to a game there a few summers ago, they lost and the post-game presser consisted of the Nats manager taking on at least a dozen really thoughtful and hard questions from the media they haven't asked a single question of that nature in Toronto starting in 1977, the current manager would cry and have to be stretchered out if he faced that kind of thing
Misterbluesky Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, row_33 said: they are upset the team isn't playing .600 ball this year geez, i'd trade the Mets and Jays year in a heartbeat for the slightly disappointing Nats season... Interesting stat...we were 12-12 in July,Nats went 11-14. June killed us (5-21). Wilmer's somewhere in outer space today....Reyes went yard from.both sides but our 8th inning defensive play cost us this one.
SinceThe70s Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 44 minutes ago, Gugny said: Another example of the Nats not putting up with bush league behavior. Good for them, I say. They've been a team of thugs and asssholes for years. Perhaps it's time for an image change. The plot thickens. Who knows whether this is just spin from the agent but the claim is that Kelley was upset because one ump was telling him to speed up and another to slow down. Still doesn't excuse his tantrum. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24256076/washington-nationals-reliever-shawn-kelley-says-umpires-sparked-mound-tantrum
Misterbluesky Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 Defrancesco has Borenstein playing some LF now,proving he can play all the spots in the OF..another reason why the Jackson signing was a useless one,since he has the range of Bruce. Do you fellas know who put in the word to the trio??? Callaway did...another mistake on the long list of poor decisions. Heck..I'm beginning to think he has more pull in the organization than the "MIA" Collins does.
SinceThe70s Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 21 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Defrancesco has Borenstein playing some LF now,proving he can play all the spots in the OF..another reason why the Jackson signing was a useless one,since he has the range of Bruce. Do you fellas know who put in the word to the trio??? Callaway did...another mistake on the long list of poor decisions. Heck..I'm beginning to think he has more pull in the organization than the "MIA" Collins does. Not sure what's up with your boy Borenstein, but I seriously doubt Callaway is the blocker. Calloway barely knows whats going on in his own dugout and the games he manages let alone what's available in the minors, through trades or free agency. From what I can tell (see the Cespedes situation) he and the trio don't even talk.
Misterbluesky Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Not sure what's up with your boy Borenstein, but I seriously doubt Callaway is the blocker. Calloway barely knows whats going on in his own dugout and the games he manages let alone what's available in the minors, through trades or free agency. From what I can tell (see the Cespedes situation) he and the trio don't even talk. I'm not suggesting Callaway blocked any move,I'm just saying we have a possible future stud playing at a level where he no longer belongs at this point of the season.Yet..this half (full in the blank) current inner staff goes out and signs another Bautista.God as my witness,I could run this team better than the trio.Priority number one come October should be to terminate Callaway's contract..before we hire a new,clean,fresh GM.JMHO.
SinceThe70s Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: I'm not suggesting Callaway blocked any move,I'm just saying we have a possible future stud playing at a level where he no longer belongs at this point of the season.Yet..this half (full in the blank) current inner staff goes out and signs another Bautista.God as my witness,I could run this team better than the trio.Priority number one come October should be to terminate Callaway's contract..before we hire a new,clean,fresh GM.JMHO. Sorry if I misinterpreted your post. I love when you and others talk up guys in the minors, I know you've been on Borenstein who is an unknown to me. WRT to the trio and Callaway, at this point I'm not sure what scares me more. If the trio goes, Callaway goes too. If one or more of the trio stays I don't know what to expect. Pessimistic guy says it doesn't matter. The team is rotten from the head (Wilpons) down. I thought Sandy did well and had this team positioned for success despite the Wilpons. And then things happened.
Misterbluesky Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, SinceThe70s said: Sorry if I misinterpreted your post. I love when you and others talk up guys in the minors, I know you've been on Borenstein who is an unknown to me. WRT to the trio and Callaway, at this point I'm not sure what scares me more. If the trio goes, Callaway goes too. If one or more of the trio stays I don't know what to expect. Pessimistic guy says it doesn't matter. The team is rotten from the head (Wilpons) down. I thought Sandy did well and had this team positioned for success despite the Wilpons. And then things happened. Well..the fan base keeps moaning about how cheap the family is...but look at the Cespedes contract,the Bruce contract and Frazier's...add in Vargas. They did spend...I can't fault them for all of the man power games we lost this year.June hit us very hard,we couldn't field a healthy offensive team,that's why I don't want to get older as a unit.Reyes,Bautista,Jackson etc are gone next year...this is,imo,the reason why we need to hop on the farm now....during these meaningless times.Did you see what Bautista did today on the called three strike ?the pitch went over the catchers head and then went back to the wall behind the plate and his rear end just stood there. Odds are 50/50 he would have got to first on that passed ball...but he didn't care. Callaway didn't say Jack Crap to him.Sorry for the vent...but this team lacks leadership and physical effort.
SinceThe70s Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Well..the fan base keeps moaning about how cheap the family is...but look at the Cespedes contract,the Bruce contract and Frazier's...add in Vargas. They did spend...I can't fault them for all of the man power games we lost this year.June hit us very hard,we couldn't field a healthy offensive team,that's why I don't want to get older as a unit.Reyes,Bautista,Jackson etc are gone next year...this is,imo,the reason why we need to hop on the farm now....during these meaningless times.Did you see what Bautista did today on the called three strike ?the pitch went over the catchers head and then went back to the wall behind the plate and his rear end just stood there. Odds are 50/50 he would have got to first on that passed ball...but he didn't care. Callaway didn't say Jack Crap to him.Sorry for the vent...but this team lacks leadership and physical effort. Good stuff. Vent all you want! For the record, I've only recently come around to the Wilpons are cheap rally cry so I get your point about the signings. My problem is they never seem willing to bury their mistakes (bad contracts) by spending more. I didn't see the game today. Surprised to hear about Bautista. From what I've seen, he's played hard. Callaway is spineless, in way over his head and maybe more to the point wholly unprepared to handle this market. Regardless, Lets Go Mets! 1
row_33 Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 Joey Bats is a complicated man who is very frustrating to cheer for at times
Misterbluesky Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 22 hours ago, row_33 said: Joey Bats is a complicated man who is very frustrating to cheer for at times Jerry Haworth loved the guy,like Tom Cheek loved Ernie Witt.
Another Fan Posted August 3, 2018 Author Posted August 3, 2018 RIP to a legend today. It was 14 years ago to the date when Bob Murphy passed away. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/sports/bob-murphy-79-an-original-voice-of-the-mets.html I always liked as a kid and teenager hearing his genuine optimism and happy recaps. Always professional in his broadcasting as well 1
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