ExWNYer Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 @Gugny @SinceThe70s @Another Fan Verlander inking two year deal with the Mets! (Gimme Rodon, too)
Gugny Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: @Gugny @SinceThe70s @Another Fan Verlander inking two year deal with the Mets! (Gimme Rodon, too) I like that it's 2 years. Better (and smarter) than giving Jake five years. Verlander and Max will be 40 and 39, respectively, next season. Gulp. I think the Rodon ship has sailed. Would love to bring Bassitt and Walker back. Still processing!! Edited December 5, 2022 by Gugny
ExWNYer Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: I like that it's 2 years. Better (and smarter) than giving Jake five years. Verlander and Max will be 40 and 39, respectively, next season. Gulp. I think the Rodon ship has sailed. Would love to bring Bassitt and Walker back. Still processing!! Until it's reported that Rodon has actually signed somewhere, the ship is still anchored. Although I believe he is a Bor-ass client which never gives me a warm and fuzzy. 1
Gugny Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: Until it's reported that Rodon has actually signed somewhere, the ship is still anchored. Although I believe he is a Bor-ass client which never gives me a warm and fuzzy. If the season were to start today, this would be the rotation: Max Scherzer Justin Verlander Carlos Carrasco David Peterson Tylor Megill
ExWNYer Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: If the season were to start today, this would be the rotation: Max Scherzer Justin Verlander Carlos Carrasco David Peterson Tylor Megill If Scherzer &/or Verlander end up shelved at one or more points during the season (very possible, given their ages), that is a rotation that will be looking up in the standings at Atlanta & Philly. <shudders>
Gugny Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, ExWNYer said: If Scherzer &/or Verlander end up shelved at one or more points during the season (very possible, given their ages), that is a rotation that will be looking up in the standings at Atlanta & Philly. <shudders> The Mets didn't run away with the division because Scherzer and deGrom each missed a chunk of the season. They cannot go into this season banking on Scherzer and Verlander staying healthy for the full season. I just can't see them ponying up for Rodon after the Verlander deal and the Diaz deal. We shall see. But I agree ... the rotation as-is does not give me any warm fuzzies. 1
ExWNYer Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: The Mets didn't run away with the division because Scherzer and deGrom each missed a chunk of the season. They cannot go into this season banking on Scherzer and Verlander staying healthy for the full season. I just can't see them ponying up for Rodon after the Verlander deal and the Diaz deal. We shall see. But I agree ... the rotation as-is does not give me any warm fuzzies. Right now they have an old, incomplete rotation, no bullpen outside of Diaz, a huge hole at catcher (can't count on Alvarez coming in and setting the world on fire as a rook), and no power outside of Alonso (and somewhat Lindor). They have a ton of work to do (and money they will have to spend) but, currently, my expectations as compared to last year are nonexistent. Even with the Verlander signing, I am not excited yet for 2023. FYI...useless tidbit...Verlander is from the Richmond area and pitched his high school ball one county over from where I live.
SinceThe70s Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 @ExWNYer @Gugny I like the Verlander signing - I think you need a stud pitcher or two to win the WS. But we'll be in the same boat as we were this year hoping the the top 2 don'ty breakdown. I would love to see them sign Rodon, it would bolster the rotation this year and give us longer term rotation stability. We'll have to wait and see how much more Cohen is willing to spend. Lots of areas of concern: Bullpen needs to be rebuilt Nimmo needs to be re-signed or replaced. They are supposedly taking to Benitendi. The guy that wants out of Pittsburgh looks like a better fit. Another power hitter would help - kind of scary that it looks like they may stick with Ruf/Vogelbach at DH. Apart from maybe trading Nido or McCann I don't expect changes at catcher. Alvarez will be given every chance to win the job. Fingers crossed that addresses catcher and power hitter 1
Gugny Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, SinceThe70s said: @ExWNYer @Gugny I like the Verlander signing - I think you need a stud pitcher or two to win the WS. But we'll be in the same boat as we were this year hoping the the top 2 don'ty breakdown. I would love to see them sign Rodon, it would bolster the rotation this year and give us longer term rotation stability. We'll have to wait and see how much more Cohen is willing to spend. Lots of areas of concern: Bullpen needs to be rebuilt Nimmo needs to be re-signed or replaced. They are supposedly taking to Benitendi. The guy that wants out of Pittsburgh looks like a better fit. Another power hitter would help - kind of scary that it looks like they may stick with Ruf/Vogelbach at DH. Apart from maybe trading Nido or McCann I don't expect changes at catcher. Alvarez will be given every chance to win the job. Fingers crossed that addresses catcher and power hitter Numbers 1-3 are absolutely huge concerns. I also agree that the kid wanting a trade out of Pittsburgh is a better (MUCH better) fit than Benitendi. I know he was cheap, but I kind of did a double-take when they re-signed Vogelbach. Ruf is pure garbage ... as is McCann. I'd love to see both Alvarez and Baty become full-time players. But that goes back to DH ... if Alvarez is catching every day, they will definitely need a DH. If they can somehow swing Rodon AND get Walker and/or Bassitt back, then that gives some flexibility for the bullpen with Megill and/or Peterson, if need be. Max Scherzer Justin Verlander Carlos Rodon Carlos Carrasco Chris Bassitt/Taijuan Walker David Peterson Tylor Megill I could live with that. 1
SinceThe70s Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, Gugny said: Numbers 1-3 are absolutely huge concerns. I also agree that the kid wanting a trade out of Pittsburgh is a better (MUCH better) fit than Benitendi. I know he was cheap, but I kind of did a double-take when they re-signed Vogelbach. Ruf is pure garbage ... as is McCann. I'd love to see both Alvarez and Baty become full-time players. But that goes back to DH ... if Alvarez is catching every day, they will definitely need a DH. If they can somehow swing Rodon AND get Walker and/or Bassitt back, then that gives some flexibility for the bullpen with Megill and/or Peterson, if need be. Max Scherzer Justin Verlander Carlos Rodon Carlos Carrasco Chris Bassitt/Taijuan Walker David Peterson Tylor Megill I could live with that. My guess is they won't be able to get both Rodon and Bassitt, but that would be great. Although we'll see how Bassitt reacts to the pitch clock - Canha too. I expect Baty to be given every chance to win the 3B job - but unlike catcher the backup plan there is fine if he needs more time. 2
ExWNYer Posted December 6, 2022 Posted December 6, 2022 6 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: @ExWNYer @Gugny I like the Verlander signing - I think you need a stud pitcher or two to win the WS. But we'll be in the same boat as we were this year hoping the the top 2 don'ty breakdown. I would love to see them sign Rodon, it would bolster the rotation this year and give us longer term rotation stability. We'll have to wait and see how much more Cohen is willing to spend. Lots of areas of concern: Bullpen needs to be rebuilt Nimmo needs to be re-signed or replaced. They are supposedly taking to Benitendi. The guy that wants out of Pittsburgh looks like a better fit. Another power hitter would help - kind of scary that it looks like they may stick with Ruf/Vogelbach at DH. Apart from maybe trading Nido or McCann I don't expect changes at catcher. Alvarez will be given every chance to win the job. Fingers crossed that addresses catcher and power hitter 6 hours ago, Gugny said: Numbers 1-3 are absolutely huge concerns. I also agree that the kid wanting a trade out of Pittsburgh is a better (MUCH better) fit than Benitendi. I know he was cheap, but I kind of did a double-take when they re-signed Vogelbach. Ruf is pure garbage ... as is McCann. I'd love to see both Alvarez and Baty become full-time players. But that goes back to DH ... if Alvarez is catching every day, they will definitely need a DH. If they can somehow swing Rodon AND get Walker and/or Bassitt back, then that gives some flexibility for the bullpen with Megill and/or Peterson, if need be. Max Scherzer Justin Verlander Carlos Rodon Carlos Carrasco Chris Bassitt/Taijuan Walker David Peterson Tylor Megill I could live with that. OF Bryan Reynolds. Good young player with a few years of control left so he would not come cheaply and there are reportedly no shortage of suitors. He has a low salary with controllable years so the Pirates will not deal him unless they get several really good prospects in return. He's not in a walk year so they don't have to just take what they can get. If somebody wants him, they are going to have to make it more than worth Pittsburgh's while. 1
SinceThe70s Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 @Gugny @ExWNYer @Another Fan Not sure if this has any legs but Buster Olney speculating that Rangers/DeGrom might be interested in a trade for McCann: https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/new-york-mets-texas-rangers-could-become-trade-partners-for-james-mccann
Gugny Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, SinceThe70s said: @Gugny @ExWNYer @Another Fan Not sure if this has any legs but Buster Olney speculating that Rangers/DeGrom might be interested in a trade for McCann: https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/new-york-mets-texas-rangers-could-become-trade-partners-for-james-mccann I'd trade McCann for a fitted Rangers hat signed by Jake. 1 1 1
ExWNYer Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, SinceThe70s said: @Gugny @ExWNYer @Another Fan Not sure if this has any legs but Buster Olney speculating that Rangers/DeGrom might be interested in a trade for McCann: https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/new-york-mets-texas-rangers-could-become-trade-partners-for-james-mccann 31 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'd trade McCann for a fitted Rangers hat signed by Jake. Be still my beating heart. Please make it so. That would be a sweet parting gift from Jake. @Another Fan Like him or hate him, another starter has been inked, fellas. Mets get the lefty, Quintana, on a 2-year, $26 million deal. Pitchers are starting to ink deals left and right. Not happy that Walker chose to go to Philly but whatever. The Judge overpayment by the Skanks may finally open the spending floodgates. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35203380/sources-mets-fill-rotation-need-lefty-jose-quintana 2
Gugny Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, ExWNYer said: Be still my beating heart. Please make it so. That would be a sweet parting gift from Jake. @Another Fan Like him or hate him, another starter has been inked, fellas. Mets get the lefty, Quintana, on a 2-year, $26 million deal. Pitchers are starting to ink deals left and right. Not happy that Walker chose to go to Philly but whatever. The Judge overpayment by the Skanks may finally open the spending floodgates. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35203380/sources-mets-fill-rotation-need-lefty-jose-quintana I'm fine with the Quintana signing. Don't hate it; not in love with it. Philly loves taking our pitchers, eh? Eff them. All eyes on Eppler. Should get very interesting, very soon.
ExWNYer Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm fine with the Quintana signing. Don't hate it; not in love with it. Philly loves taking our pitchers, eh? Eff them. All eyes on Eppler. Should get very interesting, very soon. Seems that way. I feel about Quintana the way I did Walker. Like him okay, not 'over the moon' happy. I guess that's the feeling you get with a middle or back end of the rotation guy. You just hope they stay healthy and can give you some quality starts. FYI, I was not happy that they let Wheeler walk a few years ago and thought he should have been retained. I stand by that still. He wasn't super expensive and wanted to stay with the Mets but the penny-pinching crooks who are the Coupon family had other ideas. Glad those sh*theads are in the rearview mirror.
Gugny Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: Seems that way. I feel about Quintana the way I did Walker. Like him okay, not 'over the moon' happy. I guess that's the feeling you get with a middle or back end of the rotation guy. You just hope they stay healthy and can give you some quality starts. FYI, I was not happy that they let Wheeler walk a few years ago and thought he should have been retained. I stand by that still. He wasn't super expensive and wanted to stay with the Mets but the penny-pinching crooks who are the Coupon family had other ideas. Glad those sh*theads are in the rearview mirror. I actually thought Philly paid too much for Wheeler ( 5 year / $118,000,000), but he had a decent 2022. He's another one who can't seem to stay healthy. I wonder what kind of money Syndergaard is gonna get.
SinceThe70s Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm fine with the Quintana signing. Don't hate it; not in love with it. Philly loves taking our pitchers, eh? Eff them. All eyes on Eppler. Should get very interesting, very soon. 6 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: Seems that way. I feel about Quintana the way I did Walker. Like him okay, not 'over the moon' happy. I guess that's the feeling you get with a middle or back end of the rotation guy. You just hope they stay healthy and can give you some quality starts. FYI, I was not happy that they let Wheeler walk a few years ago and thought he should have been retained. I stand by that still. He wasn't super expensive and wanted to stay with the Mets but the penny-pinching crooks who are the Coupon family had other ideas. Glad those sh*theads are in the rearview mirror. I don't know enough about Quintana to have a strong opinion. But I do like 2 his year deal over the 4 years Walker got. BTW - did you see that Kenley Jansen signed with the Red Sox? Any idea if the Braves have a plan to replace him?
Gugny Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: I don't know enough about Quintana to have a strong opinion. But I do like 2 his year deal over the 4 years Walker got. BTW - did you see that Kenley Jansen signed with the Red Sox? Any idea if the Braves have a plan to replace him? That's a nice pickup for the Red Sox and nice to have him out of the NL East. Braves have Raisel Iglesias, so I think they're all set at closer. 1
ExWNYer Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I actually thought Philly paid too much for Wheeler ( 5 year / $118,000,000), but he had a decent 2022. He's another one who can't seem to stay healthy. I wonder what kind of money Syndergaard is gonna get. Everything I've heard so far is that interest in Syndergaard around MLB has been lukewarm. A lot of teams are apparently wary of his declining analytics. It will be interesting to see what he gets. With the shortage of arms, someone will take a chance on him. 1 hour ago, SinceThe70s said: I don't know enough about Quintana to have a strong opinion. But I do like 2 his year deal over the 4 years Walker got. BTW - did you see that Kenley Jansen signed with the Red Sox? Any idea if the Braves have a plan to replace him? Like Gugs said, Atlanta will be fine. Frustratingly, they are constantly able to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t to go with all of the elite talent they churn out non-stop. They are a model franchise, unfortunately. 1
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