Baba Booey Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Would love this. 👍👍 Yes Rd 2. It's deep at WR as well. Bills trade down and take Reddick rd 1, CB then WR rd 2, in that order too
GunnerBill Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Just wondering who your top 5 tackles are? I only have 4 in my top 100 that I would feel comfortable developing purely at T and most of the prospects IMO are better suited at G. I have Cam Robinson as my top tackle with Ramczyk just behind. Both with high 2nds. Then I have Grant Bolles with a mid to low 2nd and then Anthony Garcia and Roderick Johnson just sneaking into the 100. Don't have my full board with me at work but I think Garcia is like #87 and Johnson #98.
P51 Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 I have Cam Robinson as my top tackle with Ramczyk just behind. Both with high 2nds. Then I have Grant Bolles with a mid to low 2nd and then Anthony Garcia and Roderick Johnson just sneaking into the 100. Don't have my full board with me at work but I think Garcia is like #87 and Johnson #98. Cam at LT or RT? Fair enough with the top 4, I have Ram (21 overall w/a top 20 grade, LT), Bolles (27 overall w/a 1st round grade, LT), then Robinson (32 overall w/a 2nd round grade, RT/LT), then the position takes a nose dive to Garcia (100 overall w/a 3rd round grade, LT), but I am still working on my back 50. What do you like about Johnson? Ive got a 5th round on him and just dont see it with him in terms of putting the physical ability with his on the field ability. He's in my "looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane" category, which historically has not panned out for prospects.
KellyToughII Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Guys going in the 3rd, 4th, and even 5th round this year could have been 2nd rounders last year. Agreed
Bill from NYC Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 I could not agree more. This team needs to get off the CB Merry-Go-Round. Drafting CBs with high level picks year after year has proven not to work. These guys get picked apart by Brady twice a year (not to mention Fitzpatrick and others). Enough already! Fantastic post!!!
NewEra Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Seems to be the case. While I've long Ben advocating for taking Ruben Foster at 10, if he's gone, I wouldn't pass on elite talents (imo) in adams or hooker. If all 3 are off the board trading down is the best option, where we could possibly draft Reddick, Cunningham or J, Davis. Or we could just take a QB if we deem him worthy. Then I'd go WR with our 2nd pick then DBs after WR.
JohnC Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 The Bills find themselves between a rock and hard place. They just re-signed their starting QB, but with a pay cut! So while they like the fact that they're not going into the season without a starter, they certainly have shown a lack of confidence in Tyrod. So now what do they do? If you don't take a QB you've gone nowhere...again. And if you do take a QB while having so many holes to fill at other starting roster spots you've gone next to nowhere...again. If you use your first round pick on a qb you are not mortgaging the rest of the draft. It is only one pick. This draft is not going to come close to filling all of our needs even if no pick was used for a qb. The draft is only a partial way to address needs. It is also done through free agency which is our main method of filling in holes.
bigK14094 Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 I would like to see the Bills trade back, but there are not that many of those types of trades...circumstances outside of the Bills control would dictate such an opportunity. But, they should be ready in any event should they be approached. More picks better as needs are many this year.
GunnerBill Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Cam at LT or RT? Fair enough with the top 4, I have Ram (21 overall w/a top 20 grade, LT), Bolles (27 overall w/a 1st round grade, LT), then Robinson (32 overall w/a 2nd round grade, RT/LT), then the position takes a nose dive to Garcia (100 overall w/a 3rd round grade, LT), but I am still working on my back 50. What do you like about Johnson? Ive got a 5th round on him and just dont see it with him in terms of putting the physical ability with his on the field ability. He's in my "looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane" category, which historically has not panned out for prospects. With Johnson I like the athelticism. I think there is decent physical potential there and I think he understands the position but his technique lets him down a lot. He gets beaten inside too often and I know what you mean about not playing to his physical potential I don't see that aggressive first punch that I want to see from a dominant lineman. I just see a kid who is athletic and seems to understand what he is being asked to do. If someone could spend a year working with him on technique I think you might get a player out of him. It is a 3rd / 4th borderline grade he has and as I say he is somewhere around #98 without having my board right in front of me. As for Cam I think you draft him and try him at Left Tackle first and that is the basis on which I have graded him but I feel like he might be the lowest risk of a bad class because I can see some RT and even some guard traits in there so if he doesn't stick at LT you have two other positions to shoot at before he totally busts. I actually think Ramczyk ends up a very solid NFL right tackle. Whether he has the top end physical assets to play left tackle I am less sure. Edited March 31, 2017 by GunnerBill
Antonio Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 I also think its a deep DB class, now the question is, do you prefer to draft one of the top 3 prospects of a very good DB class or maybe wait and draft someone in the 2nd round were he could be the 7-12 best player at his position? This reminds me a lot when we drafted Sammy, I was thrilled the Bills drafted Sammy, I still like the fact that he is a Bills, but we didn´t need to trade up to get the no. 1 WR when 2-5 were also very good prospects... I think I would take BPA and if thats a DB so be it, even if you draft DB and DB with the first 2 picks, it´s not like we don´t need 2 of them or more.
P51 Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 With Johnson I like the athelticism. I think there is decent physical potential there and I think he understands the position but his technique lets him down a lot. He gets beaten inside too often and I know what you mean about not playing to his physical potential I don't see that aggressive first punch that I want to see from a dominant lineman. I just see a kid who is athletic and seems to understand what he is being asked to do. If someone could spend a year working with him on technique I think you might get a player out of him. ,It is a 3rd / 4th borderline grade he has and as I say he is somewhere around #98 without having my board right in front of me. As for Cam I think you draft him and try him at Left Tackle first and that is the basis on which I have graded him but I feel like he might be the lowest risk of a bad class because I can see some RT and even some guard traits in there so if he doesn't stick at LT you have two other positions to shoot at before he totally busts. I actually think Ramczyk ends up a very solid NFL right tackle. Whether he has the top end physical assets to play left tackle I am less sure. Johnson still is young being 21 and not turning 22 until midish season next year I believe, so developmental time could certainly go a long way to helping technically and fundamentally. I was surprised he came out. I can see him going in the 3rd or 4th round given his natural physical traits and potential, I keep seeing him in the 2nd which is too rich for my blood, but he has things that can not be taught and teams like to think they can turn that into something more. I am pretty much on the same page with Robinson, if he were more consistent Id like him alot more. I liked Ereck Flowers a lot (top 10 grade ) and my notes on their issues are very similar regarding their balance issues in keeping their weight inline with their feet. Ram is in a similar boat to Cam for me at the LT position, but I think his balance and overall technique is better and is less risky at LT, but if that fails I think his fall back is to RT and he'll be fine there. I think Ram is a day 1 LT, but I could see him starting at RT day 1 then moving to LT by the end of the season, IMO he's a immediate starter at a T spot either way. I appreciate the response
thebandit27 Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Cam at LT or RT? Fair enough with the top 4, I have Ram (21 overall w/a top 20 grade, LT), Bolles (27 overall w/a 1st round grade, LT), then Robinson (32 overall w/a 2nd round grade, RT/LT), then the position takes a nose dive to Garcia (100 overall w/a 3rd round grade, LT), but I am still working on my back 50. What do you like about Johnson? Ive got a 5th round on him and just dont see it with him in terms of putting the physical ability with his on the field ability. He's in my "looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane" category, which historically has not panned out for prospects. For whatever it's worth, I have Bolles at 25, Ramczyk as 30, Cam at 52, Garcia at 77, and Johnson outside my top-100, but with a R4-R5 grade.
Pete Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Budda Baker is one of my favorite players in this draft. Right now I am guessing he goes in later 1st round/early 2nd. He fits our defense very nicely. And if we trade down and get Budda, that is a win in my book. http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/17/bills-2017-nfl-draft-spotlight-s-budda-baker-scouting-report/
thebandit27 Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 Budda Baker is one of my favorite players in this draft. Right now I am guessing he goes in later 1st round/early 2nd. He fits our defense very nicely. And if we trade down and get Budda, that is a win in my book. http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/17/bills-2017-nfl-draft-spotlight-s-budda-baker-scouting-report/ I have Baker as my 17th overall player--outstanding talent. He may get knocked for his size, but to me he's a starter at either safety spot that can walk down and play slot corner as well.
ajmac Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 I have said this in many threads before,... I think we need to get the best either DB or LB available in round 1, then either WR or TE in round 2, then again DB or LB in round three and use the few remaining picks for first OL, then maybe a developmental QB or specialty player, say a smaller quick WR who can return or a big fat DT with talent and just needs a little hard work to slim down. Ya feeling me?? BPA might just be the best policy in this draft with a focus on DB and LB to help fill holes. Only McD really knows the type of player's we need, but I am sure we all know there will be at least one DB and one LB picked in the first five rounds from us.
thebandit27 Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 I have said this in many threads before,... I think we need to get the best either DB or LB available in round 1, then either WR or TE in round 2, then again DB or LB in round three and use the few remaining picks for first OL, then maybe a developmental QB or specialty player, say a smaller quick WR who can return or a big fat DT with talent and just needs a little hard work to slim down. Ya feeling me?? BPA might just be the best policy in this draft with a focus on DB and LB to help fill holes. Only McD really knows the type of player's we need, but I am sure we all know there will be at least one DB and one LB picked in the first five rounds from us. My philosophy is pretty easy: if you feel a guy can be a franchise QB, then he's the pick. After (or failing) that, take BPA, focusing on critical positions like pass rusher and corner, but be willing to go with other positions if a guy is a special player.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 So which CBs in the draft could come in and start for the Bills? Which S could come in and start? Just my opinion, of course, but CB: Marshon Lattimore Tre'davious White Corderea Tankersley Gareon Conley Fabian Moreau Kevin King Ahkello Witherspoon Rasul Douglas Marquez White S: Jamal Adams Malik Hooker Obi Melifonwu Budda Baker Josh Jones Marcus Williams Desmond King Justin Evans Xavier Woods
ajmac Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 My philosophy is pretty easy: if you feel a guy can be a franchise QB, then he's the pick. After (or failing) that, take BPA, focusing on critical positions like pass rusher and corner, but be willing to go with other positions if a guy is a special player. I agree, but I just don't think the QB is there. Maybe Trubisky or Mahomes, but I just haven't seen enough on tape to fall in love with either. Then, as you said, BPA, with focus on critical areas, and maybe a stretch if the value is out of this world good at any particular pick. That's all good, and most draft rooms probably think the same way, it's just if they have evaluated talent and set their boards up well or not. We will see soon!
P51 Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 For whatever it's worth, I have Bolles at 25, Ramczyk as 30, Cam at 52, Garcia at 77, and Johnson outside my top-100, but with a R4-R5 grade. Sounds like the top three varies here, similarly to the draft community. Where is the drop off? For me it's after the top three...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted March 31, 2017 Posted March 31, 2017 So what is the possibility of Watson falling to the bottom of the first? Do you guys honestly believe we wouldn't be seriously considering trading up to grab him a la Vikings in 14'?
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