teef Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 What part of WNY and the fans cant afford a new stadium is still being missed? How many Bills fans can afford a PSL and odds are a 25% increase in tickets and parking? What companies are going to pay more for suites? sigh...
jeffismagic Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Need to build a new stadium to get successful. The Indian burial ground the Ralph is on is the real problem. I normally am not superstitious but you might be on to something.
Mr. WEO Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 My pocketbook, and those of the fans that I sit with, converse with, work with, etc. Look no further than the 2005-2007 Eastern Conference finals runs that the Sabres put together. 20,000 fans had absolutely no hesitation about coughing up $200 per seat for multiple playoff games. Secondary market saw prices twice that high. To think that there aren't 65k people in Buffalo/Rochester/Southern Ontario that can afford the increased rates would be lunacy. I think that the author is referring to being able to attract FAs etc. by showing off their nice new facilities...also, you can attract a more affluent fan with nicer diggs--you know this. I also hope that you aren't asking me to justify the opinion of the author. I am. I'm sure fans could pay more, but that has nothing to do with publically financing a stadium. The people buying PSLs aren't the only ones paying more for the stadium. People who have interest in football would also be paying. FA's don't come for the nice skyboxes/restaurants and concourses in the stadium they play in 10 days a year. Even you know this, so why mention it? Also, if the Bills were more "successful", that would make difference on whether that broke county could afford to subsidize the fantasy action of Pegula and his wife.
thebandit27 Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 I'm sure fans could pay more, but that has nothing to do with publically financing a stadium. The people buying PSLs aren't the only ones paying more for the stadium. People who have interest in football would also be paying. FA's don't come for the nice skyboxes/restaurants and concourses in the stadium they play in 10 days a year. Even you know this, so why mention it? Also, if the Bills were more "successful", that would make difference on whether that broke county could afford to subsidize the fantasy action of Pegula and his wife. First, as I said, don't try to make me answer for the opinions of the author. While I may not know everything, I can assure you that I am the world's foremost authority on my opinion...and my opinion is that asking each tax-paying resident of Erie County to pay between $200 and $300--total--as part of stadium financing wouldn't exactly be the lead balloon that you're claiming.
H2o Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Mara can F off. And so can the Bills if they come begging for public money for a stadium. I'll cough up my seasons and walk away. Enough already. This region is dying, despite what your local politicians tell you. We've waste $750M on a solar panel factory that promised more jobs when the money hung in the balance than it will actually deliver. We're one of the few regions losing tech jobs, the key to the economy. We have tooooooo many local governments duplicating services. Poverty is up, wages are stagnant for the vast majority, and yet we want to cough up millions to an owner and a league that prints money? Sorry Terry, sell the yacht and ADK retreat, and the extra houses. It's not my role to undertake debt to secure your profit. Boom! Well said my friend. I'm not from the area, but I can understand the frustration of billionaire owners trying to get people to halfway foot the bill for something, that even paying for with your taxes, you will have to buy tickets to get in on top of it.
DanInUticaTampa Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Mara can F off. And so can the Bills if they come begging for public money for a stadium. I'll cough up my seasons and walk away. Enough already. This region is dying, despite what your local politicians tell you. We've waste $750M on a solar panel factory that promised more jobs when the money hung in the balance than it will actually deliver. We're one of the few regions losing tech jobs, the key to the economy. We have tooooooo many local governments duplicating services. Poverty is up, wages are stagnant for the vast majority, and yet we want to cough up millions to an owner and a league that prints money? Sorry Terry, sell the yacht and ADK retreat, and the extra houses. It's not my role to undertake debt to secure your profit. Love this post
BillsFan4 Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 How much would it actually raise taxes? A few $ per person? Or are we talking $100's? My guess would be it's closer to a few dollars per person. Maybe $20 a year at most. I doubt Pegula will be overly greedy about it IMO. If that's the case, we can afford that. Reality is that eventually Buffalo will have to build a new stadium if we want the Bills here long term. NFL owners have zero problem moving a team. Look at the Oakland vote today. 31 for (including Pegula, again). 1 against (Miami). 2 teams moved recently because of stadiums - San Diego, Oakland. Had nothing to do with fan support. The fans always showed up. Even St. Louis was partially moved because of the stadium. There was obviously more to it in St. Louis though. But chances are we either help the team build a new stadium or eventually lose our beloved Bills. As much as it may be BS that we have to help these rich NFL a holes, it's probably the reality of the situation. If we want the luxury of having an NFL team, we will likely have to help build a new stadium.
Captain Murica Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Rather see tax dollars go to something people enjoy, instead section 8.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) I'm sure fans could pay more, but that has nothing to do with publically financing a stadium. The people buying PSLs aren't the only ones paying more for the stadium. People who have interest in football would also be paying. FA's don't come for the nice skyboxes/restaurants and concourses in the stadium they play in 10 days a year. Even you know this, so why mention it? Also, if the Bills were more "successful", that would make difference on whether that broke county could afford to subsidize the fantasy action of Pegula and his wife. Without getting too much into the economics of it the cap is based on total revenues. Obviously, the TV deal has more than adequately addressed all of this at the present time. HOWEVER, the ratings declined for the 1st time in forever and in the next negotiations I'm not sure that we continue to see the big spike. This will coincide with teams finding more and more ways to make non-shared revenue further driving the cap. The Bills operate on a tighter budget now than other teams; that would further the gap. The league obviously wants a new stadium so that the Bills can contribute more to the shared revenue portion. The Giants (as an example) contribute a hell of a lot more than the Bills. The Bills have an opportunity to be more profitable by raising more non-shares revenue. There are a million ways to do this that have been covered in one of the thousand other stadium threads. They would increase profitability, franchise value and shared revenue with a new place. It makes sense for everyone when the timing is right. Lastly, the new stadiums in Vegas and LA aren't going to make less non-shared revenue than those dumps in SD, Oakland and St. Louis. They will go from some of the smaller non-shared numbers to some of the larger. This will drive he cap at an expedited rate. It all goes back to Ralph's original concern with the CBA when everyone thought that he was a crazy old man that didn't understand it. He was actually out in front of the potential pitfalls. Edited March 27, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Makes sense And Mara says that same thing every year Maybe Mara should build it for us with his own $
teef Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 i honestly wouldn't have any problem if some of my tax money went towards a new stadium. as other have mentioned, this state has wasted more of my money that i'd like to admit, and i'd love to see it actually go towards something i'd enjoy.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Lets see.... Is the turf the teams play on a POS? Are the stairs and railings crumbling? Are the seats horrible and give you splinters? Is the Jumbotron so small you can't see replays? If the answer is most likely - No Whats the problem then?
Seasons1992 Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Gut the current facility. Make it state of the art, keeping it in the same place. Play at UB for 2 years. Draft a QB that works in 2-3 years. Success!
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 I would pay more in taxes for a new stadium for the Bills and I don't even live there. Can they do proxy taxes. Lets see.... Is the turf the teams play on a POS? Are the stairs and railings crumbling? Are the seats horrible and give you splinters? Is the Jumbotron so small you can't see replays? If the answer is most likely - No Whats the problem then? no but the answer was YES for SD and Oakland. That's why the Pegs have more time. Still, I think the practice facilities and offices will all remain in OP while the stadium itself will be somewhere near Harbor Center/Canalside/Riverworks
Charles Romes Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 We are in like year two after a $160M restoration. It's that enough to get everyone off our backs about a stadium. I would introduce a $300M restoration in 8 years to buy another 10 years. Don't need a new stadium with amenities no one in WNY can afford anyway. No one is telling KC or Green Bay to build a new stadium. Refurbs are the way to go and that way we play outside indefinitely.
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 I'm not sure it makes sense to help pay a bunch of money to a team, so that they can then charge us more money for tickets and stuff? I know other cities do it. But I don't think it is the Buffalo Way. I think we should do it the Buffalo Way. We could set aside a comparatively small amount, say 200 million. And then we could use that money and some elbow grease, to roll up our sleeves, and trash the other 31 stadiums. Just really mess them up, make them smell bad and everything. That way we would then have the best stadium in the NFL while saving hundreds of millions of dollars.
Hammered a Lot Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 There's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this area and its fans can afford both new stadium financing and PSLs. We can also afford to pay more for tickets and parking. Why wait, be first all in. I got some $50 parking spots. How many do you want?
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 What part of WNY and the fans cant afford a new stadium is still being missed? How many Bills fans can afford a PSL and odds are a 25% increase in tickets and parking? What companies are going to pay more for suites? This has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. The market exists already. It largely avoids the current stadium due to weather, rowdiness etc. The owners have no pricing power in the current stadium. A new retractable roof stadium with less capacity, say 60000 seats, will provide that. The bottom line; the target customer will be a more affluent fan looking for amenities and willing to pay for them. The market exists, make no mistake. Look at the resale prices on stubhub. That money doesn't go to the Bills. The prices are artificially low right now because of the old stadium. The Bills are looking to get into the new NFL, and it will happen sooner than later. The folks willing to pay the higher prices stay away from the stadium because of the lack of amenities, weather and the type of crowds that attend those games. Gut the current facility. Make it state of the art, keeping it in the same place. Play at UB for 2 years. Draft a QB that works in 2-3 years. Success! The cost of making it " state of the art" would be enormous. You would still be left with an uncovered facility with limited use. Pass on that. A covered facility downtown is what will happen.
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 Does 8-8 and being in the hunt count as successapparently not ...
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