Deranged Rhino Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 The Donald says he needs and wants to work with the Dems, then the following days axes more of Obama's actions. Dear Donald. Lesson 1 in How to make friends ... Don't give them any (more) reasons to dislike you. Not a Trump supporter, but the Dems don't need any reasons to dislike him. They've made it clear how little they think of him or how little they wish to work with him. Literally anything he does, like anything 44 did, will get hostility from the other side. Hyper-partisanship is holding this country back and has been for going on 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Doesn't the Freedom Caucus = Tea Party Yeah. I was drawing a blank for the extreme side of the right in Congress so I just went with Tea Party. I really don't see a good solution to this health care crisis. Democrats don't want to work with Republicans on health care unless it's improving the ACA. Republicans have been campaigning for seven years to repeal and replace ACA. Dems (like the GOP) will pry just obstruct, obstruct, obstruct because it worked great for the GOP during the Obama years. If Republicans let the ACA collapse I think they'll be ridiculed for not working with the Dems to improve it. If the Republicans do repeal and replace with a more free market plan like we had before, they'll be throwing millions off health care which they will suffer major political blow back in the '18 and '20 election like new health care did for the Dems did in the '10, '12 (minus president), '14, and '16 elections. It seems the people more pissed off and suffering show up and vote more. Also, Trump promised in his campaign not to cut medicaid, medicare, and social security. Dems will constantly bring that up in the Senate floor fight. Maybe just have Bernie pass his universal health care plan so both parties can point the finger at him when people start to realize the numerous problems associated with UHC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Yeah. I was drawing a blank for the extreme side of the right in Congress so I just went with Tea Party. I really don't see a good solution to this health care crisis. Democrats don't want to work with Republicans on health care unless it's improving the ACA. Republicans have been campaigning for seven years to repeal and replace ACA. Dems (like the GOP) will pry just obstruct, obstruct, obstruct because it worked great for the GOP during the Obama years. If Republicans let the ACA collapse I think they'll be ridiculed for not working with the Dems to improve it. If the Republicans do repeal and replace with a more free market plan like we had before, they'll be throwing millions off health care which they will suffer major political blow back in the '18 and '20 election like new health care did for the Dems did in the '10, '12 (minus president), '14, and '16 elections. It seems the people more pissed off and suffering show up and vote more. Also, Trump promised in his campaign not to cut medicaid, medicare, and social security. Dems will constantly bring that up in the Senate floor fight. Maybe just have Bernie pass his universal health care plan so both parties can point the finger at him when people start to realize the numerous problems associated with UHC. Passing a purely free market bill will never be politically palatable for the American people moving forward. If there is one thing that Obama did achieve with Obamacare, it's that he won the public argument in that expanded coverage has got to be a key tenant to any healthcare plan moving forward. On the other hand, UHC has been fraught with inefficiencies and national budget busting economies throughout the globe. If both parties could actually do what is in the best interest of the American public, there is a working marriage and partnership between government and the private sector. Yes, Obamacare does that to a degree, but there are plenty of market based reforms and medical pricing and transparency measures that could be made that could lower premiums, not include mandated coverages and expand coverage even more so than the ACA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind Creating a single, public insurance system will go a long way towards getting health care spending under control. The United States has thousands of different health insurance plans, all of which set different reimbursement rates across different networks for providers and procedures resulting in high administrative costs. https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/ This makes the most sense to me. Then have Pell grants to pay for medical school, and nursing to offset less pay under medicare charges. jmo I know it would never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind Creating a single, public insurance system will go a long way towards getting health care spending under control. The United States has thousands of different health insurance plans, all of which set different reimbursement rates across different networks for providers and procedures resulting in high administrative costs. https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/ This makes the most sense to me. Then have Pell grants to pay for medical school, and nursing to offset less pay under medicare charges. jmo I know it would never happen. Please show me the instance where administrative costs in the public sector were a magnitude lower than in the private sector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Please show me the instance where administrative costs in the public sector were a magnitude lower than in the private sector All Medicare patients being over 65 would mean a lot more medical services to administer then private younger age patients. I would think the combined young and old would bring that cost down , again jmo , nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 All Medicare patients being over 65 would mean a lot more medical services to administer then private younger age patients. I would think the combined young and old would bring that cost down , again jmo , nothing more Having spent the last year of my career incarcerated in a Medicare project...I assure you, it wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Not a Trump supporter, but the Dems don't need any reasons to dislike him. They've made it clear how little they think of him or how little they wish to work with him. Literally anything he does, like anything 44 did, will get hostility from the other side. Hyper-partisanship is holding this country back and has been for going on 30 years. That shoe fits both sides of the isle. That is why I do not associate myself with either hypocritical party. Me me me. My way or the highway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 That shoe fits both sides of the isle. That is why I do not associate myself with either hypocritical party. Me me me. My way or the highway. Never said it didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind Creating a single, public insurance system will go a long way towards getting health care spending under control. The United States has thousands of different health insurance plans, all of which set different reimbursement rates across different networks for providers and procedures resulting in high administrative costs. https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/ This makes the most sense to me. Then have Pell grants to pay for medical school, and nursing to offset less pay under medicare charges. jmo I know it would never happen. Not trying to be argumentative as I hear this place is pretty rough. Wasn't there a Singer Payer an option when the AHCA was being planned out but that got shot down? Never said it didn't. easy now. I was just stating my pov. Edited March 30, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 That shoe fits both sides of the isle. That is why I do not associate myself with either hypocritical party. Me me me. My way or the highway. This Isle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Having spent the last year of my career incarcerated in a Medicare project...I assure you, it wouldn't. Since most 1st world countries have universal health care , could we learn from there experience and eliminate the mistakes ? Not trying to be argumentative as I hear this place is pretty rough. Wasn't there a Singer Payer an option when the AHCA was being planned out but that got shot down? easy now. I was just stating my pov. Universal health goes back a long way , cost is always a problem . Your pov is always welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Not trying to be argumentative as I hear this place is pretty rough. Wasn't there a Singer Payer an option when the AHCA was being planned out but that got shot down? easy now. I was just stating my pov. https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/09/03/18620563.php Rock a bye baby, don't you get sick Your mom and daddy will go broke real quick Grandpa and Grandma wish it weren't true But big rich insurers don't care about you Rock a bye tax cuts helping the rich You're out of luck if your kid should get sick Health care insurers rack in the cash but if you are poor they will treat you like trash Rock a bye profits that's what they love But sick kids and grandparents merit a shove Everyone else is in danger it's true Cuz big rich insurers don't care about you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Better care for a lot less , hmm Health Care Around the World: Taiwan & Its ‘World’s Best’ Medical System https://www.umhs-sk.org/blog/health-care-around-world-taiwan/Caribbean-Medical-Schools On March 1, 2015 Taiwan marked the 20th anniversary of its government-run single-payer National Health Insurance (NHI), a universal health coverage scheme that provides comprehensive health insurance Total health spending in Taiwan in 2013 was 6.63 percent of Taiwan’s GDP, In terms of cost-effectiveness, Taiwan’s system outperforms the U.S. system, which spends more than 17 percent of U.S. GDP but, before the ACA was passed in 2010, left some 50 million, or 16 percent of Americans uninsured. https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/taiwans-health-care-system-the-next-20-years/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Better care for a lot less , hmm Health Care Around the World: Taiwan & Its ‘World’s Best’ Medical System https://www.umhs-sk.org/blog/health-care-around-world-taiwan/Caribbean-Medical-Schools On March 1, 2015 Taiwan marked the 20th anniversary of its government-run single-payer National Health Insurance (NHI), a universal health coverage scheme that provides comprehensive health insurance Total health spending in Taiwan in 2013 was 6.63 percent of Taiwan’s GDP, In terms of cost-effectiveness, Taiwan’s system outperforms the U.S. system, which spends more than 17 percent of U.S. GDP but, before the ACA was passed in 2010, left some 50 million, or 16 percent of Americans uninsured. https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/taiwans-health-care-system-the-next-20-years/ Care to compare the incidents of heart disease in Taiwan vs US? Which is the symptom & which is the cause of higher health spending in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) That shoe fits both sides of the isleI hope they're rubber boots, otherwise someone will get wet feet Edited April 3, 2017 by Boyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 It’s remarkable how low America places in health care efficiency: among the 48 countries included in the Bloomberg study, the U.S. ranks 46th, outpacing just Serbia and Brazil. Once that sinks in, try this one on for size: the U.S. ranks worse than China, Algeria, and Iran. The infographic below is based on a recent Bloomberg ranking of the most efficient countries for health care, and highlights enormous gap between the soaring cost of treatment in the U.S. and its quality and effectiveness. To paraphrase Ricky Ricardo, the American health care system has a lot of ‘splainin’ to do. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/most-efficient-healthcare_n_3825477.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) Care to compare the incidents of heart disease in Taiwan vs US? Which is the symptom & which is the cause of higher health spending in the US? Please - Give it up - The US has the most expensive HC with some of the lowest efficacy on money spent - most everyone does it better... It’s remarkable how low America places in health care efficiency: among the 48 countries included in the Bloomberg study, the U.S. ranks 46th, outpacing just Serbia and Brazil. Once that sinks in, try this one on for size: the U.S. ranks worse than China, Algeria, and Iran. The infographic below is based on a recent Bloomberg ranking of the most efficient countries for health care, and highlights enormous gap between the soaring cost of treatment in the U.S. and its quality and effectiveness. To paraphrase Ricky Ricardo, the American health care system has a lot of ‘splainin’ to do. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/most-efficient-healthcare_n_3825477.html Cue up the locals to try to disregard the facts.....3....2....1.... Edited April 3, 2017 by baskin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Please - Give it up - The US has the most expensive HC with some of the lowest efficacy on money spent - most everyone does it better... Cue up the locals to try to disregard the facts.....3....2....1.... Is this where you throw up the standard "2% Administrative Cost" trope? Please show me any enterprise where General & Administrative Expenses are only 2% of revenues? (Other than prison labor, I suppose) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorbait Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Its remarkable how low America places in health care efficiency: among the 48 countries included in the Bloomberg study, the U.S. ranks 46th, outpacing just Serbia and Brazil. Once that sinks in, try this one on for size: the U.S. ranks worse than China, Algeria, and Iran. The infographic below is based on a recent Bloomberg ranking of the most efficient countries for health care, and highlights enormous gap between the soaring cost of treatment in the U.S. and its quality and effectiveness. To paraphrase Ricky Ricardo, the American health care system has a lot of splainin to do. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/most-efficient-healthcare_n_3825477.html Great post Alf! Every one needs to read this to truly realize we need to be better in the healthcare department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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