K-9 Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 Obviously Whaley was making the picks. Buddy Nix would never draft an undersized linebacker from Oregon. Whaley was the de facto GM since August of 2012, when the college scouting season started in earnest and that includes being in the Kirk chair for the draft as you indicated.
Bill_with_it Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 NO, If you make an assertion then back it up with a link. ELSE it is just BS. NO what it means is you are throwing a temper tantrum much like a child. It happened go look it up or review the post that was posted earlier in the thread with the picture and one of the links. Just because you dont see it doesnt make it not true.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) ...think the whole thing is pretty simple IMO.....Pegula did not get to where he is today living under a rock....he got sick of Regier's act and canned his ass......he got sick of Wreck's Clown Show and despite being on the hook for $ 16.5 mil (offset language with ESPN hiring helps now), he canned his sorry ass.....he moved Brandon TOTALLY away from any say in personnel matters for any sports team he owns....seems pretty clear to me that he had a big hand in McCoach's hiring.....pretty clear message for the boyz to work together to TP's satisfaction or somebody will be packing shortly...Mr.& Mrs. Pegula project one helluva public image throughout Buffalo and WNY......an embarrassing or dysfunctional organization will probably cost those perpetrators their job(s).... Edited March 25, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
oldmanfan Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 Obviously Whaley was making the picks. Buddy Nix would never draft an undersized linebacker from Oregon. Buddy Nix was GM for the 2013 draft. Buddy Nix said he was going to make sure a QB was in place before he left and took EJ (which of course did not work out).
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 Buddy Nix was GM for the 2013 draft. Buddy Nix said he was going to make sure a QB was in place before he left and took EJ (which of course did not work out). ...ironically, Genome was actually OBD's 1st choice until they flew down to interview/work him out....consensus on plane ride home was, "um no thanks".....EJ was their 2nd choice.......and he did not work out like the majority who fail versus being successful at the NFL level.....so how long to we go ass backwards to debate Buddy-Whaley-Whaley-Buddy and who the hell picked whom?.....
oldmanfan Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 Hey old time. What's past is past. I am one who believes people should be judged in what they actually do and not what someone thinks they do.
Billy Zabka Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 Hey old time. What's past is past. I am one who believes people should be judged in what they actually do and not what someone thinks they do. OK. Lets ignore the gossip "or reporting" of Whaley clashing with 3 separate coaching staffs, the battle over whose responsible for EJ Manuel, the horrendous public speaking and questionable cap management and draft strategy. Doug Whaley has been Assistant GM and Director of Pro Player Personnel from 2010 to 2012 and GM from 2013 to current. In his position of great power as either the 2nd most powerful figure in the front to office to currently the most powerful the Bills have a record of 46-66 with 0 playoff appearances. Strictly speaking as GM, the Bills have a record of 30-34 and 0 playoff appearances despite Whaley going for it, by going to the cap and making several trade ups and mortgaging the future. Sorry, but that simply isn't good enough, especially when he doesn't have to operate under the budget and meddling constraints of Ralph C Wilson.
cd1 Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) NO what it means is you are throwing a temper tantrum much like a child. It happened go look it up or review the post that was posted earlier in the thread with the picture and one of the links. Just because you dont see it doesnt make it not true.No one is acting like a child except you. If you make an assertion then you need to back it up with links. Otherwise it is purely YOUR opinion. Regardless of popular belief, you can't just make up REALITY. You asserted that Whaley was fighting with Rex and now McD. I asked you for a link to support your assertion. If you cannot provide a link then what you are asserting is opinion or speculation - NOT FACT. Please provide a link. Edited March 25, 2017 by cd1
PromoTheRobot Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 OK. Lets ignore the gossip "or reporting" of Whaley clashing with 3 separate coaching staffs, the battle over whose responsible for EJ Manuel, the horrendous public speaking and questionable cap management and draft strategy. Doug Whaley has been Assistant GM and Director of Pro Player Personnel from 2010 to 2012 and GM from 2013 to current. In his position of great power as either the 2nd most powerful figure in the front to office to currently the most powerful the Bills have a record of 46-66 with 0 playoff appearances. Strictly speaking as GM, the Bills have a record of 30-34 and 0 playoff appearances despite Whaley going for it, by going to the cap and making several trade ups and mortgaging the future. Sorry, but that simply isn't good enough, especially when he doesn't have to operate under the budget and meddling constraints of Ralph C Wilson. So it's your contention that Whaley is solely responsible for 30-34 record? Rex was a helpless bystander?
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) OK. Lets ignore the gossip "or reporting" of Whaley clashing with 3 separate coaching staffs, the battle over whose responsible for EJ Manuel, the horrendous public speaking and questionable cap management and draft strategy. Doug Whaley has been Assistant GM and Director of Pro Player Personnel from 2010 to 2012 and GM from 2013 to current. In his position of great power as either the 2nd most powerful figure in the front to office to currently the most powerful the Bills have a record of 46-66 with 0 playoff appearances. Strictly speaking as GM, the Bills have a record of 30-34 and 0 playoff appearances despite Whaley going for it, by going to the cap and making several trade ups and mortgaging the future. Sorry, but that simply isn't good enough, especially when he doesn't have to operate under the budget and meddling constraints of Ralph C Wilson. reading this, makes good sense and makes one wonder how there are those who adamantly defend his position. then I see above it has to be other areas of blame, excuses as to why should it be solely on him...well, everything should fall on the general manager since he is supposedly managing the team towards success. where is the success? Edited March 25, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973
Bill_with_it Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 No one is acting like a child except you. If you make an assertion then you need to back it up with links. Otherwise it is purely YOUR opinion. Regardless of popular belief, you can't just make up REALITY. You asserted that Whaley was fighting with Rex and now McD. I asked you for a link to support your assertion. If you cannot provide a link then what you are asserting is opinion or speculation - NOT FACT. Please provide a link. A - I stated that Whaley has been known to get into it with previous hcs as evidence by his and Marrones spat in the sidelines in tc. B - Acting ignorant ( i use the dictionary term) doesnt mean it didnt happen. C - It was posted in this thread by bills fan 1973. D- If a tree falls in the forest and cd1 didnt hear it or see it doesnt mean it didnt happen. E- There was a spat, it was reported by quite a few reporters who seen and heard what went on.
Dr. Who Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 Who chose Rex? If he was really Whaley's pick, I think he'd be gone already. If he wasn't, as most who give "excuses" surmise, I have no problem seeing how DW does with McD.
Rico Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 OK. Lets ignore the gossip "or reporting" of Whaley clashing with 3 separate coaching staffs, the battle over whose responsible for EJ Manuel, the horrendous public speaking and questionable cap management and draft strategy. Doug Whaley has been Assistant GM and Director of Pro Player Personnel from 2010 to 2012 and GM from 2013 to current. In his position of great power as either the 2nd most powerful figure in the front to office to currently the most powerful the Bills have a record of 46-66 with 0 playoff appearances. Strictly speaking as GM, the Bills have a record of 30-34 and 0 playoff appearances despite Whaley going for it, by going to the cap and making several trade ups and mortgaging the future. Sorry, but that simply isn't good enough, especially when he doesn't have to operate under the budget and meddling constraints of Ralph C Wilson. Nice summary. This chump = seven years of failure, permanently stained with the stench of losing and the curse of Ralph. Sad!
cd1 Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 A - I stated that Whaley has been known to get into it with previous hcs as evidence by his and Marrones spat in the sidelines in tc. B - Acting ignorant ( i use the dictionary term) doesnt mean it didnt happen. C - It was posted in this thread by bills fan 1973. D- If a tree falls in the forest and cd1 didnt hear it or see it doesnt mean it didnt happen. E- There was a spat, it was reported by quite a few reporters who seen and heard what went on. You have stated "he said/she said" over and over. THAT does not make it true. PLEASE PROVIDE A LINK - Thank you.
Bill_with_it Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 You have stated "he said/she said" over and over. THAT does not make it true. PLEASE PROVIDE A LINK - Thank you. Its in this thread right after the first time you said it. Along with the words I actually used. So go back and read for what was asked by you to be posted and read what was posted. Its there, once again you are just rumbling on ignoring the fact that it was posted and also changing what I actually stated. You are beginning to act like a troll.
oldmanfan Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 OK. Lets ignore the gossip "or reporting" of Whaley clashing with 3 separate coaching staffs, the battle over whose responsible for EJ Manuel, the horrendous public speaking and questionable cap management and draft strategy. Doug Whaley has been Assistant GM and Director of Pro Player Personnel from 2010 to 2012 and GM from 2013 to current. In his position of great power as either the 2nd most powerful figure in the front to office to currently the most powerful the Bills have a record of 46-66 with 0 playoff appearances. Strictly speaking as GM, the Bills have a record of 30-34 and 0 playoff appearances despite Whaley going for it, by going to the cap and making several trade ups and mortgaging the future. Sorry, but that simply isn't good enough, especially when he doesn't have to operate under the budget and meddling constraints of Ralph C Wilson. Which is why I said earlier he is on the hot seat
papazoid Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 Who chose Rex? If he was really Whaley's pick, I think he'd be gone already. If he wasn't, as most who give "excuses" surmise, I have no problem seeing how DW does with McD. russ brandon wanted rex badly to sell season tickets and sponsorship deals. russ was even preparing rex to make a good first impression on Pegula by feeding rex info on terry's red wine preferences
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 You have stated "he said/she said" over and over. THAT does not make it true. PLEASE PROVIDE A LINK - Thank you. I posted a link and photo. you too lazy to go back to page 25 post # 497 to see it? or do you just like arguing for the sake of argument?
Leroi Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 This is a perfect example of why the local media is blacklisted. Fake news. Imo
AtlantaStampede Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 The back and forth on this Whaley topic is making my brain bleed. Just fire the poor guy already. I don't think he's been a terrible GM, but he is a PR nightmare and apparently is really difficult to work with. The Pegulas are partially to blame here as they haven't always put him in a position of strength with the media or the HC. Hopefully the learn from this whole thing as owners.
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