Tiberius Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Patton was a great battlefield general but was not a good war general Washington on the other hand was a poor battlefield general but an excellent war general Lee would presents an interesting theoretical dilemma. what if Lee had comparable resources and financial backing as his Union counterparts? I think Washington was a good general with what he had. His victory at second Trenton and Princeton was a thing of beauty. The Yorktown campign was another gem. Just holding that army together was a job. And I totally agree about Lee. What if he faced a decent opposing general before Meade? What if he wasn't facing such long odds, would he have been more cautious? Job Stuart was a great general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Patton? He wasn't even one of the top 5 generals in World War 2. Subotai Alexander of Macedon Timur Lenk Napoleon Thomas Johnathon Jackson. I think I'm just partial to his no nonsense attitude He'd be the one I take out and could put a bunch in... Stonewall as you said George Washington for his War command Eisenhower MacArthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hannibal. He went to Italy with no support or logistics and stayed for thirteen years waging war and defeating larger Roman armies in the most daring and sustained military campaign in history. Raised an army on in Spain and marched it over the alps and down into Italy winning some of the greatest battles in history. And no movie about this guy?? Boo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hannibal. He went to Italy with no support or logistics and stayed for thirteen years waging war and defeating larger Roman armies in the most daring and sustained military campaign in history. Raised an army on in Spain and marched it over the alps and down into Italy winning some of the greatest battles in history. And no movie about this guy?? Boo! I'm not huge into movies... But is there no Hannibal Barca movie? He was brilliant... That's why I needed him on the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 The General from Stratego kicks butt. Usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hannibal. He went to Italy with no support or logistics and stayed for thirteen years waging war and defeating larger Roman armies in the most daring and sustained military campaign in history. Raised an army on in Spain and marched it over the alps and down into Italy winning some of the greatest battles in history. And no movie about this guy?? Boo! It was all a lie. Northern African elephants didn't even exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I think I'm just partial to his no nonsense attitude He'd be the one I take out and could put a bunch in... Stonewall as you said George Washington for his War command Eisenhower MacArthur Ike was a pedestrian general, at best. His best skills by far were political, which is why he was such an excellent coalition commander at SHAEF, and probably our best-qualified president. Don't even get me started on Dugout Doug. In WWI, in command of the Rainbow Division, his casualty rates were so high that even the French thought he was bloodthirsty (the same French that thought they could defeat machine guns with good troop morale). He managed to get his ass fired for insubordination by TWO presidents, took bribes from the Philippine government, managed to lose an entire air force (including the largest grouping of strategic air power in the US Army Air Corps) on the ground despite having 12 hours warning of impending attack, abandon an army in the field and got a Medal of Honor for it, oversaw two separate military disasters in two separate wars (the Philippines in WWII, and "The Great Bugout" in Korea,) stuck an untrained reserve division into the foulest battlefield on the planet with no support (he even stripped the artillery) and canned all the commanding officers when they couldn't get results, maintained an occupation army in Japan that was so ridiculously unready that the 24th Infantry had to strip an entire regiment to put a battalion-minus task force into the field that was still under equipped. On the other hand, his New Guinea campaign after Buna-Gona-Sanananda was an absolute masterpiece of combined arms operations and economy of force, he had the best understanding of the use of airpower of any general in the US Army, his withdrawal in to the Bataan peninsula is a case study in fighting retreats, and even though a half-witted shavetail looie fresh out of West Point could have drawn up the Inchon operation, he actually did it. He's a complex character. But overall, I think in most conditions in most eras he would have gotten his ass kicked by competent generalship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Ike was a pedestrian general, at best. His best skills by far were political, which is why he was such an excellent coalition commander at SHAEF, and probably our best-qualified president. Don't even get me started on Dugout Doug. In WWI, in command of the Rainbow Division, his casualty rates were so high that even the French thought he was bloodthirsty (the same French that thought they could defeat machine guns with good troop morale). He managed to get his ass fired for insubordination by TWO presidents, took bribes from the Philippine government, managed to lose an entire air force (including the largest grouping of strategic air power in the US Army Air Corps) on the ground despite having 12 hours warning of impending attack, abandon an army in the field and got a Medal of Honor for it, oversaw two separate military disasters in two separate wars (the Philippines in WWII, and "The Great Bugout" in Korea,) stuck an untrained reserve division into the foulest battlefield on the planet with no support (he even stripped the artillery) and canned all the commanding officers when they couldn't get results, maintained an occupation army in Japan that was so ridiculously unready that the 24th Infantry had to strip an entire regiment to put a battalion-minus task force into the field that was still under equipped. On the other hand, his New Guinea campaign after Buna-Gona-Sanananda was an absolute masterpiece of combined arms operations and economy of force, he had the best understanding of the use of airpower of any general in the US Army, his withdrawal in to the Bataan peninsula is a case study in fighting retreats, and even though a half-witted shavetail looie fresh out of West Point could have drawn up the Inchon operation, he actually did it. He's a complex character. But overall, I think in most conditions in most eras he would have gotten his ass kicked by competent generalship. Stratego guy hides behind miners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'm not huge into movies... But is there no Hannibal Barca movie? He was brilliant... That's why I needed him on the list There is no Hannibal Barca movie...mostly because there's no Phoenecian cultural heritage (as opposed to influence) anywhere in the world. People want to watch people they can relate to. Just like there's no Sargon or Tiglath-Pileser movies, either (both of who probably deserves an "honorable mention" for the top 5.) Plenty of influence, but very little cultural heritage of ancient Akkadian or Assyrian remaining in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Rename this one: Best Genitals of All Time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Rename this one: Best Genitals of All Time Pretty sure Patton's probably on that list. Little known fact: Patton had a high-pitched voice, more like Michael Jackson than George C. Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 There is no Hannibal Barca movie...mostly because there's no Phoenecian cultural heritage (as opposed to influence) anywhere in the world. People want to watch people they can relate to. Just like there's no Sargon or Tiglath-Pileser movies, either (both of who probably deserves an "honorable mention" for the top 5.) Plenty of influence, but very little cultural heritage of ancient Akkadian or Assyrian remaining in the world. Sargon of Akkad is definitely an interesting character. And like you said Akkadian culture is not represented in the world He is the Augustus Caesar of Semetic cultures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Ike was a pedestrian general, at best. His best skills by far were political, which is why he was such an excellent coalition commander at SHAEF, and probably our best-qualified president. Don't even get me started on Dugout Doug. In WWI, in command of the Rainbow Division, his casualty rates were so high that even the French thought he was bloodthirsty (the same French that thought they could defeat machine guns with good troop morale). He managed to get his ass fired for insubordination by TWO presidents, took bribes from the Philippine government, managed to lose an entire air force (including the largest grouping of strategic air power in the US Army Air Corps) on the ground despite having 12 hours warning of impending attack, abandon an army in the field and got a Medal of Honor for it, oversaw two separate military disasters in two separate wars (the Philippines in WWII, and "The Great Bugout" in Korea,) stuck an untrained reserve division into the foulest battlefield on the planet with no support (he even stripped the artillery) and canned all the commanding officers when they couldn't get results, maintained an occupation army in Japan that was so ridiculously unready that the 24th Infantry had to strip an entire regiment to put a battalion-minus task force into the field that was still under equipped. On the other hand, his New Guinea campaign after Buna-Gona-Sanananda was an absolute masterpiece of combined arms operations and economy of force, he had the best understanding of the use of airpower of any general in the US Army, his withdrawal in to the Bataan peninsula is a case study in fighting retreats, and even though a half-witted shavetail looie fresh out of West Point could have drawn up the Inchon operation, he actually did it. He's a complex character. But overall, I think in most conditions in most eras he would have gotten his ass kicked by competent generalship. Losing the AF on the ground in the Philippines was simply unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Ike was a pedestrian general, at best. His best skills by far were political, which is why he was such an excellent coalition commander at SHAEF, and probably our best-qualified president. Don't even get me started on Dugout Doug. In WWI, in command of the Rainbow Division, his casualty rates were so high that even the French thought he was bloodthirsty (the same French that thought they could defeat machine guns with good troop morale). He managed to get his ass fired for insubordination by TWO presidents, took bribes from the Philippine government, managed to lose an entire air force (including the largest grouping of strategic air power in the US Army Air Corps) on the ground despite having 12 hours warning of impending attack, abandon an army in the field and got a Medal of Honor for it, oversaw two separate military disasters in two separate wars (the Philippines in WWII, and "The Great Bugout" in Korea,) stuck an untrained reserve division into the foulest battlefield on the planet with no support (he even stripped the artillery) and canned all the commanding officers when they couldn't get results, maintained an occupation army in Japan that was so ridiculously unready that the 24th Infantry had to strip an entire regiment to put a battalion-minus task force into the field that was still under equipped. On the other hand, his New Guinea campaign after Buna-Gona-Sanananda was an absolute masterpiece of combined arms operations and economy of force, he had the best understanding of the use of airpower of any general in the US Army, his withdrawal in to the Bataan peninsula is a case study in fighting retreats, and even though a half-witted shavetail looie fresh out of West Point could have drawn up the Inchon operation, he actually did it. He's a complex character. But overall, I think in most conditions in most eras he would have gotten his ass kicked by competent generalship. Dugout Doug lol Definitely not on the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Losing the AF on the ground in the Philippines was simply unforgivable. It was, but it's really thinking he was bloodthirsty that gets me. I mean, French generals were so profligate with their mens' lives that the French Army mutinied in 1917 and refused to fight until Petain promised an end to "suicidal offensives." And THESE are the generals that thought MacArthur's casualty list was awfully long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Top 10 results when I Google best genitals of all time: 10) You're probably cleaning your vagina wrong - BuzzFeed 9) Genital Psoriasis: Uncomfortable And Unmentionable - Everyday Health 8) How I Found Out I Didn't Have the Herpes I'd Been Living With for ... 7) 'My girlfriend's genitals smell strongly and I don't know what to do' - Telegraph 6) Nice, Normal Girls Don't Get Their Genitals Pierced - VICE 5) Women with persistent genital arousal disorder: 'People hear orgasm and they think it's a good ... 4) Male Genital Piercings | The Piercing Bible 3) The Best Bands Named After Genitalia - Ranker 2) Genital piercing - Wikipedia 1) A Lady's Guide to Getting to Know Your Genitals ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 He was killed by his own people when he returned to Carthage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 He was killed by his own people when he returned to Carthage. After after after.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Some consideration for: Erich von Manstein: Perhaps the "best" overall general in 20th Century warfare. Vo Nguyen Giap: Outlasts the Japanese, beats the French and United States over three decades in Vietnam. Ferdinand Foch: French General, World War I - he saves the Allied bacon three times - at both battles at Marne and the one at Somme. Ulysses Grant: Terrible President, but he saves the Union from certain battlefield defeat but IMO, his most important battle was at Petersburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Any list without Omar Bradley is created from watching too much TV and bad biopics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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