Tyrod Taylor's Highlights

[jeffismagic]

Tyrod wasnt set to be an UFA until 2021-2022. The legal tampering didnt apply to him.

Tyrod is signed by the club, that means Tyrod wasnt cut.

T

No he couldnt because Tyrod wasnt set to become an UFA. Try again.

 

I don't need to try anything again. You can live in a fantasy world where Tyrod took a paycut without knowing his value if you like.

[Bill_with_it]

Hey guys the buffalo bills were going to release sammy watkins at the end of this year because hes been so injury rampant. Se how ridiculous and down right irrational it sounds to make a statement like that wothout proof?

[FireChan]

Hey guys the buffalo bills were going to release sammy watkins at the end of this year because hes been so injury rampant. Se how ridiculous and down right irrational it sounds to make a statement like that wothout proof?

Yikes.

[jeffismagic]

Yikes.

 

[Shaw66]

Shaw,

 

With the old contract, if he'd been on the roster this March, March 2017, he was guaranteed $30.75 mill, and if he'd been on the roster in March 2018, he'd have been guaranteed $40.5 mill.

 

With the old deal, if the Bills had taken his option he was a virtual lock to stay here two or three years, collecting $40 - $56 mill.

 

With the new deal, he's very easy to cut after this year. That is yet another advantage to the Bills in the new deal. If they let him go before March next year, he'd cost them $8.64 mill in dead cap, but if they keep him, they would have to pay him both $10 mill in salary and a $6 mill roster bonus due the 3rd day of the league year in March. (Though $1 mill of that roster bonus is already guaranteed). So cutting him before next year saves the Bills $8 mill against the cap next year. He would be a very easy cut if that's the way they want to go.

 

So he went from an almost certain two to three years at $40 - $56 mill to, under the new contract, a very possible one year deal for $15 mill or a two year deal for $30 mill. Saying that's as good because maybe he can make it up later with other contracts is pure spin. Maybe he can, and maybe he can't. The uncertainty is why players desperately fight for guaranteed money in their contracts.

 

Tyrod took a major hit.

Hi Thurm -

 

Thanks.

 

I think you have to look at what's guaranteed and then what's likely. Guaranteed was $40, and what's likely now is $30. Why is it likely? Because there's no upside to the Bills cutting him after 2017, because the cap hit is almost as bad as keeping him. So unless he becomes a public relations problem, the Bills will always keep him for 2018. Even if they've found another starter, he's a better backup than they could find anywhere else.

 

So I'm pretty sure Taylor looked at it as giving up $10 million.

 

However, if you review what's been said and and the contract history, I think the conclusion that these negotiations are a lot less about the money and a lot more about the option to terminate the contract. That is, it's always been about Taylor's freedom to make a new deal and who has the option to set him free.

 

He left Baltimore and wanted to go someplace where he could start. He didn't seem to spend any time or energy on getting a lot of money; he wanted to go somewhere where he had a good chance to start and where he would have a short contract. He signed a three year deal with Buffalo, but a major part of the deal for Tyrod was that he could opt out after two years.

 

So what happened? He played well his first year and the Bills were unhappy about the fact that Taylor could leave after year two. That meant that if Taylor had a good year two, the Bills would have to give him something like five years at $20 million per to keep him, and the Bills knew that they weren't going to be willing to commit that much to him after year two. They wanted to see him for at least three years.

 

So they go to Taylor and suggest renegotiating, so the Bills could have a full three years and then cut him without penalty if they wanted to. Taylor said no, because the option at the end of year two was what he wanted. He wasn't going to give up the option for nothing. He asked for a long-term deal with big money. Bills said no to the money, yes to the long-term IF the option to end it all without penalty at the end of year two came back to the Bills. Taylor said ok, he'll give up the option to get out because he has guaranteed money.

 

Year two happens and Taylor underperforms, in comparison to year one and also in terms of what's good enough to win in the NFL. Now the Bills are on the hotseat. They have the option to end the deal and avoid the guarantees, but they aren't sure about Taylor. If Taylor is the year-one QB, the contract is a bargain. If he's the year-two QB, they're overpaying and they may want to move on.

 

Meanwhile, Taylor doesn't have the same doubts. He's started for two years, he knows he can play in the league. His seasons are nothing like the seasons Manuel and most young QBs have in the league. He's seen guys bounce around the league. He knows for the next seven years he can get FItzpatrick-McCown money all day long. He's better than they are, and someone will always pay him to play or to be a quality backup on a contending team. That's his cushion. He knows that he's always going to be able to make the money he's guaranteed under his current contract. What he wants is to get the option back. He wants the leverage to be able to say in a year or two that he wants more money, more than he'd get locked up with the Bills through 2021 or whenever.

 

So I think Taylor looked at it and said, "I'm guaranteed $40. Under the two-year deal we're talking about, I'm almost certainly going to get $30. I'm almost certainly going to get the additional $10 in the next one or two years after that. So the guarantee of $40 doesn't mean a lot; I'm going to get the $40 either way. But under the new deal, my upside in 2019, 2020 and 2021 is much higher. The salary cap is going up. If I play well, I can get over $20 a year, maybe even $25 a year." I think Taylor listened to that, has confidence in his abilities and his future, and said "this is easy - I'll get the $40 either way, and the new deal gives me options."

 

Bills, likewise, liked the deal because THEY got the option to terminate without major pain after 2018. What the Bills gave up is the opportunity to have Taylor on the cheap if he turns out to be good.

 

I think what very well could happen is that in 2017 Taylor has a good year - say a passer rating around 94, which is his average. That would be at or around top 10. Bills win 9-10 games. And next February or March, Taylor and the Bills are renegotiating AGAIN. Why? Because at that point the Bills don't want to go into 2018 with Taylor playing on a one-year deal. If he has another good season, his price tag will go WAY up - as I said, in the low- to mid-20s. So they'll be talking about a new deal, 4-5-6 years, just like the last one, worth more than the deal the Bills just got away from, and with more than half of it guaranteed.

 

If Taylor has another mediocre season, Bills go looking for a new QB, keep Taylor for 2018 and then negotiate or let him walk.

 

What happened is that Taylor gave up some money to get out from under a long term deal. The Bills gave up the bargain price for a starting QB in order to get out from under the long-term future. They're both betting on what Taylor does in the next two seasons.

 

If Taylor didn't want to make that bet, he would have refused to renegotiate and called the Bills' bluff.

[Bill_with_it]

Hey guys just got word Matt Ryan is getting forced into a new contract because of his 2d half sb performance. Lets go illegally tamper with him because you know everyone does it.

Yikes.

Yeah kind of crazy to think we would release our #1 player at a skill position that helped to ensure our team was a top ten scoring offense when we dont have a replacement.

[jeffismagic]

Hey guys just got word Matt Ryan is getting forced into a new contract because of his 2d half sb performance. Lets go illegally tamper with him because you know everyone does it.

Yeah kind of crazy to think we would release our #1 player at a skill position that helped to ensure our team was a top ten scoring offense when we dont have a replacement.

 

Except that's almost what happened.

[FireChan]

Hey guys just got word Matt Ryan is getting forced into a new contract because of his 2d half sb performance. Lets go illegally tamper with him because you know everyone does it.

Yeah kind of crazy to think we would release our #1 player at a skill position that helped to ensure our team was a top ten scoring offense when we dont have a replacement.

This is just sad man.

[jeffismagic]

This is just sad man.

 

The paycut Tyrod took was a goodwill gesture to the City of Buffalo. So sayeth the CoT.

[Bangarang]

Do you really before the deadline that that either party is going to leak this information before anything is official?

 

We know that the Bills offered Taylor a restructured deal a good amount of time before the deadline. We know this because Taylor stated him and his agent decided the restructured deal was the best option. This was after Taylor stated his agent was at the combine having "unofficial" conversations with other teams. You don't really believe he wasn't gauging market interest for his client before making a decision to accept the Bills new offer?

 

I know your firm that agents and FO personnel don't tamper because it's a rule....yet already two teams were caught. Rules in every industry regardless of penalties are broken all the time...people take risks to get an advantage all the time. It's why NCAA schools get put on probation all the time, why people get thrown in jail for insider trading, people get fired skimming off the top etc.....they all know the penalties but they still do them.

 

Casual conversations are a violation of tampering.

But that's impossible because they all follow the rules.

 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/11/tyrod-taylor-ultimately-made-the-right-decision-for-him/

People are being so naive about this topic.

[Royale with Cheese]

Tyrod wasnt set to be an UFA until 2021-2022. The legal tampering didnt apply to him.

Tyrod is signed by the club, that means Tyrod wasnt cut.

T

No he couldnt because Tyrod wasnt set to become an UFA. Try again.

Swing and a giant miss.

 

Did you miss where Tyrod specifically stated his agent had casual conversations? That's violating the tampering rules....

Hey guys just got word Matt Ryan is getting forced into a new contract because of his 2d half sb performance. Lets go illegally tamper with him because you know everyone does it.

Yeah kind of crazy to think we would release our #1 player at a skill position that helped to ensure our team was a top ten scoring offense when we dont have a replacement.

Double yikes.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Listen guys, just because two teams got caught breaking rules doesn't mean teams break the rules. It means they don't. You know how I know that teams don't break the rules? Just look at the teams who broke the rules.

Jets and Patriots are 2 examples both ways

Tyrod wasnt set to be an UFA until 2021-2022. The legal tampering didnt apply to him.

Tyrod is signed by the club, that means Tyrod wasnt cut.

T

No he couldnt because Tyrod wasnt set to become an UFA. Try again.

One last time.

If the Bills cut or released TT what would his status have been?

 

You can answer but you won't get a reply because I'm done having this conversation with you on the topic.

[BillsFan4]

The paycut Tyrod took was a goodwill gesture to the City of Buffalo. So sayeth the CoT.

Am I "CoT" because I believe there is still a chance that Tyrod improves upon last season?

 

I don't think there is any such things as a cult of Tyrod anyway. He is the Bills starting QB, so people support him and want to believe that he can improve. Just like they want to believe the Bills as a whole can improve, even though history is against it happening. Does that mean we should give up on the Buffalo Bills completely because they have pretty much stunk for the last 17 years?

[jeffismagic]

Am I "CoT" because I believe there is still a chance that Tyrod improves upon last season?

 

I don't think there is any such things as a cult of Tyrod anyway. He is the Bills starting QB, so people support him and want to believe that he can improve. Just like they want to believe the Bills as a whole can improve, even though history is against it happening. Does that mean we should give up on the Buffalo Bills completely because they have pretty much stunk for the last 17 years?

 

I support Tyrod the same way I support Jordan Mills. Hope for the best, expect the worst and am looking to replace as soon as possible.

 

We brought back Jordan Mills who was an absolute failure. Should we hold a party for him as well?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

I support Tyrod the same way I support Jordan Mills. Hope for the best, expect the worst and am looking to replace as soon as possible.

 

We brought back Jordan Mills who was an absolute failure. Should we hold a party for him as well?

 

you should give up. unless you want to keep looking like an idiot?

 

no, go ahead, you fit the bill perfectly.

[jeffismagic]

 

you should give up. unless you want to keep looking like an idiot?

 

no, go ahead, you fit the bill perfectly.

 

The Bills were ready to move on from him yet many of you can't see the writing on the wall. Enjoy your bubble.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

The Bills were ready to move on from him yet many of you can't see the writing on the wall. Enjoy your bubble.

 

 

they didn't though. so we fans that support the team will support the TEAM, he is a part of the team. you can go support your avatar and the team that drafts him in the 2nd or 3rd round... you seem to be the type that only supports a player of your choice and not a team.

 

keep trolling though, you're pretty good at that.

[teef]

Lol.

 

Mills is awful. Tyrod isn't awful.

 

He's a decent starting QB.

 

I'm all for an upgrade. Draft one if there at 10 and the feeling is the guy can be a great one in the league.

i'm guessing most "tyrod supporters" feel this way. i like having tyrod on the team for now, but an upgrade is needed without a doubt. some are makng this into a line in the sand type scenario.

[jeffismagic]

 

 

they didn't though. so we fans that support the team will support the TEAM, he is a part of the team. you can go support your avatar and the team that drafts him in the 2nd or 3rd round... you seem to be the type that only supports a player of your choice and not a team.

 

keep trolling though, you're pretty good at that.

 

If you're going to use a word, use it correctly. Trolling is not disagreeing with someone. If instead you mean I really do believe in Tyrod but am making up stuff then your are deluded even worse than I thought.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

If you're going to use a word, use it correctly. Trolling is not disagreeing with someone. If instead you mean I really do believe in Tyrod but am making up stuff then your are deluded even worse than I thought.

 

disagreeing with your opinion is one thing. calling those CoT or living in a bubble or the posters on the wall comment, is trolling. you want to express an opinion, stop with the childish insults to those that differ from your opinion or support the player while he is part of the TEAM.

 

as teef and scott law posted above . we're all aware that an upgrade is likely to happen whether the prospect is drafted this year or next but are willing to support him until that happens.