Tyrod Taylor's Highlights

[teef]

Teef - That's exactly why they installed the three-day rule. They knew teams were cheating, and it was reasonable to cheat. But the rule was written to allow the early discussions only if the player's contract is expiring.

 

For a guy who's contract is expiring, his team has the EXCLUSIVE right to negotiate with him. That's the single benefit that survives from the old days when there was no free agency. It's exclusive. But everyone realized that if by the last two or three days of the guy's old contract he and the team hadn't agreed to a new deal, then there probably WOULDN'T be a deal. Plus, the players were saying "how can I know whether what my old team is offering is in the market if I can't talk to some other teams who are interested."

 

So the NFL legalized the "cheating," but only if the guy's contract was expiring. It doesn't apply when a team is talking to one of its players about renegotiating. There are NO informal permissible informal conversations between the Chiefs, say, and Sammy Watkins just because the Bills and Sammy may be talking about an extension. Absolutely can't do it. So, as someone pointed a few pages back, here's what happened to the Chiefs for talking to Jeremy Maclin early: "Kansas City will forfeit its third-round pick in the 2016 NFL Draft and its sixth-round pick in the 2017 NFL Draft and pay a fine of $250,000. In addition, Head Coach Andy Reid has been fined $75,000 and General Manager John Dorsey has been fined $25,000." In 2015, Woody Johnson said about Revis “I’d love for Darrelle to come back” when he was still under contract with the Patriots. Jets got fined $100,000 just for saying that. No negotiations, no contract discussion, no nothing. Just a public statement.

 

The NFL takes it seriously. So I think what's naive is to think that some team is going to say to Taylor on the QT "we'll give you $18 million a year for four years, guaranteed," knowing that statement like that could cost them multiple draft picks and some serious money. Especially when they look at how Taylor has produced over the past two years and can see that it would be near lunacy for the Bills to let him go. Why take that risk. The conversations that happened almost certainly went like this: "Hi agent. Thanks for the call. Tyrod's not a free agent, so we can't talk right now. I won't put any kind of number out there. If your man becomes a free agent, we definitely would be interested - please don't sign anywhere without giving us a call. What? No, I won't speculate about a range, or anything like that. You should know, because if we do that it could cost you your license to represent players. Thanks for understanding."

whoa whoa whoa. you need to realize who you're calling teef here.

[Bangarang]

Plenty of people in this very thread are "pretending that."

So perhaps you shouldn't lump me into that same group since that wasn't at all what I was doing. That'd be great. Thanks

 

And I just directed you to a report that at least 3 teams were interested in Taylor. We don't know what they would have paid him for sure, but I don't think it's remotely unreasonable to say that Cleveland would have been willing to fork out at least a little more money than they're going to pay Osweiler.

 

Sooo.... $17-$18 million per year, but in Cleveland...

 

Not "clearly the case" at all...

Aren't you someone who criticizes the media for the stuff they report? Now you're using those reports because it fits your agenda?

 

You have a hard time accepting that Tyrod wasn't the hot commodity you thought he would be.

[Thurman#1]

Shaw,

 

With the old contract, if he'd been on the roster this March, March 2017, he was guaranteed $30.75 mill, and if he'd been on the roster in March 2018, he'd have been guaranteed $40.5 mill.

 

With the old deal, if the Bills had taken his option he was a virtual lock to stay here two or three years, collecting $40 - $56 mill.

 

With the new deal, he's very easy to cut after this year. That is yet another advantage to the Bills in the new deal. If they let him go before March next year, he'd cost them $8.64 mill in dead cap, but if they keep him, they would have to pay him both $10 mill in salary and a $6 mill roster bonus due the 3rd day of the league year in March. (Though $1 mill of that roster bonus is already guaranteed). So cutting him before next year saves the Bills $8 mill against the cap next year. He would be a very easy cut if that's the way they want to go.

 

So he went from an almost certain two to three years at $40 - $56 mill to, under the new contract, a very possible one year deal for $15 mill or a two year deal for $30 mill. Saying that's as good because maybe he can make it up later with other contracts is pure spin. Maybe he can, and maybe he can't. The uncertainty is why players desperately fight for guaranteed money in their contracts.

 

Tyrod took a major hit.

Edited April 11, 2017 by Thurman#1

[Royale with Cheese]

Teef - That's exactly why they installed the three-day rule. They knew teams were cheating, and it was reasonable to cheat. But the rule was written to allow the early discussions only if the player's contract is expiring.

 

For a guy who's contract is expiring, his team has the EXCLUSIVE right to negotiate with him. That's the single benefit that survives from the old days when there was no free agency. It's exclusive. But everyone realized that if by the last two or three days of the guy's old contract he and the team hadn't agreed to a new deal, then there probably WOULDN'T be a deal. Plus, the players were saying "how can I know whether what my old team is offering is in the market if I can't talk to some other teams who are interested."

 

So the NFL legalized the "cheating," but only if the guy's contract was expiring. It doesn't apply when a team is talking to one of its players about renegotiating. There are NO informal permissible informal conversations between the Chiefs, say, and Sammy Watkins just because the Bills and Sammy may be talking about an extension. Absolutely can't do it. So, as someone pointed a few pages back, here's what happened to the Chiefs for talking to Jeremy Maclin early: "Kansas City will forfeit its third-round pick in the 2016 NFL Draft and its sixth-round pick in the 2017 NFL Draft and pay a fine of $250,000. In addition, Head Coach Andy Reid has been fined $75,000 and General Manager John Dorsey has been fined $25,000." In 2015, Woody Johnson said about Revis Id love for Darrelle to come back when he was still under contract with the Patriots. Jets got fined $100,000 just for saying that. No negotiations, no contract discussion, no nothing. Just a public statement.

 

The NFL takes it seriously. So I think what's naive is to think that some team is going to say to Taylor on the QT "we'll give you $18 million a year for four years, guaranteed," knowing that statement like that could cost them multiple draft picks and some serious money. Especially when they look at how Taylor has produced over the past two years and can see that it would be near lunacy for the Bills to let him go. Why take that risk. The conversations that happened almost certainly went like this: "Hi agent. Thanks for the call. Tyrod's not a free agent, so we can't talk right now. I won't put any kind of number out there. If your man becomes a free agent, we definitely would be interested - please don't sign anywhere without giving us a call. What? No, I won't speculate about a range, or anything like that. You should know, because if we do that it could cost you your license to represent players. Thanks for understanding."

Shaw, they are still tampering before the 3 day window. You really think this rule is going to put this to a halt?

Do you really think it's an honest business?

 

The NCAA has strict rules as well and you think the only schools cheating are the ones that are caught?

Plenty of people in this very thread are "pretending that."

 

And I just directed you to a report that at least 3 teams were interested in Taylor. We don't know what they would have paid him for sure, but I don't think it's remotely unreasonable to say that Cleveland would have been willing to fork out at least a little more money than they're going to pay Osweiler.

 

Sooo.... $17-$18 million per year, but in Cleveland...

 

Not "clearly the case" at all...

So this is a report but other reports are just speculation?

What makes this not speculation?

So perhaps you shouldn't lump me into that same group since that wasn't at all what I was doing. That'd be great. Thanks

 

 

Aren't you someone who criticizes the media for the stuff they report? Now you're using those reports because it fits your agenda?

 

You have a hard time accepting that Tyrod wasn't the hot commodity you thought he would be.

In favor of Tyrod = report

Not in favor of Tyrod = speculation

Edited April 11, 2017 by Teeflebees

[Thurman#1]

Especially when they look at how Taylor has produced over the past two years and can see that it would be near lunacy for the Bills to let him go. Why take that risk. The conversations that happened almost certainly went like this: "Hi agent. Thanks for the call. Tyrod's not a free agent, so we can't talk right now. I won't put any kind of number out there. If your man becomes a free agent, we definitely would be interested - please don't sign anywhere without giving us a call. What? No, I won't speculate about a range, or anything like that. You should know, because if we do that it could cost you your license to represent players. Thanks for understanding."

 

 

Oh, please. It would have been the opposite of near lunacy for the Bills to let him go. It was pretty much a done deal if he hadn't re-negotiated. Obviously Tyrod's team thought so.

 

IMHO Tyrod might have gotten a better deal if he'd cut bait. Teams make dumb mistakes with QBs, look at the contract given to Osweiler - one that will go down in history as a major example of what kind of behavior teams should avoid but sometimes don't. But getting that better deal wasn't even close to a sure thing, and if Tyrod's team had thought it was, they'd have refused to re-negotiate with the Bills.

Edited April 11, 2017 by Thurman#1

[HappyDays]

Have you heard of the legal tampering period? TT had a whole day to talk to other teams. If the Browns were gonna give him $10M more than the Bills and the starting job, why would he stay?

He would not be the first player to take less money to stay away from career killing Cleveland, Tony Jefferson for example. My best guess is Tyrod thought Cleveland and Chicago would be interested, once he saw that Chicago was going after Glennon he saw the writing on the wall and realized he would only get more money if he signed with Cleveland. So there was no benefit to moving on from the Bills. He and the Bills both re-rolled the dice. The contract is basically a restart of last year. If he plays well this year Tyrod will come out the winner of the restructure, that is what people forget.

[FireChan]

He would not be the first player to take less money to stay away from career killing Cleveland, Tony Jefferson for example. My best guess is Tyrod thought Cleveland and Chicago would be interested, once he saw that Chicago was going after Glennon he saw the writing on the wall and realized he would only get more money if he signed with Cleveland. So there was no benefit to moving on from the Bills. He and the Bills both re-rolled the dice. The contract is basically a restart of last year. If he plays well this year Tyrod will come out the winner of the restructure, that is what people forget.

There were "4" teams willing to pay TT, as per transplant. It wasn't just Cleveland.

 

If TT snaps his leg by some fat DT and has lingering damage, he comes out the loser of this restructure and probably his career. Which is why players who haven't already made their money generally don't leave $10M on the table.

[Rocky Landing]

There were "4" teams willing to pay TT, as per transplant. It wasn't just Cleveland.

 

If TT snaps his leg by some fat DT and has lingering damage, he comes out the loser of this restructure and probably his career. Which is why players who haven't already made their money generally don't leave $10M on the table.

High risk/high reward vs. low risk/low reward.

 

Do you think it is possible that TT would risk $10mil to be a starter?

And, do you think it is possible that TT saw Buffalo as his best chance at being a starter?

[FireChan]

High risk/high reward vs. low risk/low reward.

 

Do you think it is possible that TT would risk $10mil to be a starter?

And, do you think it is possible that TT saw Buffalo as his best chance at being a starter?

Man.

 

No. There are 4 other teams he had a similar chance to be the starter.

No. There are 4 other teams he had a similar chance to be the starter.

 

Here's what I think happened. The Bills said "we want you to be our guy, but not under your option," TT's camp said "let's talk," they haggled with the option deadline looming. The Bills were inquiring about Romo and Glennon, showing TT they were seriously considering moving on, and his camp decided that restructuring to give up $10M was less or at least comparable to what he'd get on the open market.

 

If TT and his camp were confident (and I mean confident like the guys in this topic) that they would make original option money on the open market, he would have NEVER given up $10M in guarantees and a 6 year deal. EVER. Remember, it's not just that TT gave up $10M. He would've gotten paid until 2021. No one in the NFL says, "No thanks" to a 5 year deal worth $100M.

Edited April 11, 2017 by FireChan

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Shaw,

 

I think it's really naive (no offense) to think teams don't tamper. Before the NFL installed the legal 3 day tampering window a few years ago....how were players being signed at 12:01 am on the first day of free agency? It's not possible to write up and agree to terms for a contract in one minute.

 

He wasn't going to be a free agent though... so it is completely illegal tampering. If a team wanted to explore a trade they could do so. But as for talking to another team, its not going to get past the "if he's a free agent id be very interested" stage. So you can't get down to the numbers really until you're a free agent.

 

If you're going to be a UFA, it's obviously a little bit looser. Team's have alreayd put their offers in, and players have already rejected them.

[John from Riverside]

Man.

 

No. There are 4 other teams he had a similar chance to be the starter.

No. There are 4 other teams he had a similar chance to be the starter.

 

Here's what I think happened. The Bills said "we want you to be our guy, but not under your option," TT's camp said "let's talk," they haggled with the option deadline looming. The Bills were inquiring about Romo and Glennon, showing TT they were seriously considering moving on, and his camp decided that restructuring to give up $10M was less or at least comparable to what he'd get on the open market.

 

If TT and his camp were confident (and I mean confident like the guys in this topic) that they would make original option money on the open market, he would have NEVER given up $10M in guarantees and a 6 year deal. EVER. Remember, it's not just that TT gave up $10M. He would've gotten paid until 2021. No one in the NFL says, "No thanks" to a 5 year deal worth $100M.

I have absolutely no problem believing this is how that scenario played out. But it is absolutely plausible that he did not want to play for Cleveland.

[FireChan]

I have absolutely no problem believing this is how that scenario played out. But it is absolutely plausible that he did not want to play for Cleveland.

What a day!

 

Sure, but Cleveland was hardly the only team out there that TT could play for.

[Royale with Cheese]

 

He wasn't going to be a free agent though... so it is completely illegal tampering. If a team wanted to explore a trade they could do so. But as for talking to another team, its not going to get past the "if he's a free agent id be very interested" stage. So you can't get down to the numbers really until you're a free agent.

 

If you're going to be a UFA, it's obviously a little bit looser. Team's have alreayd put their offers in, and players have already rejected them.

He was going to be a free agent if he didn't accept the new deal. Tyrod and his agent stated just two days prior to deadline that it was best for him to take it.

Did he not state his agent had some feelers out? If that's true....do you really think they weren't discussing possible numbers?

[Bill_with_it]

He was if he didn't agree to a restructure furthering his bridge deal.

 

Expected to be released if he didn't restructure. Deal with that.

 

More fact than opinion I'd say.

 

I think that is what he's saying.

 

 

exactly.

 

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Oh those Cleveland Browns.

The only fact is he was under contrqct and not a ufa. So you can act as jf your opinion is fact, but its more baloney than fact. You have zero insight as to what this organization was planning to do with Taylor.

[jeffismagic]

We're starting to get into Tyrod Truther levels of spin.

[transplantbillsfan]

Taylor was going to be released if he didn't renegotiate. FACT.

 

What made Taylor stay in Buffalo for less money?

Loyalty? There is very little loyalty in the NFL.

A chance to be the starter? He could have been that for 2 or 3 other teams.

Again... not a fact.

 

And those 3 other teams being dumpster fires could have also played a role.

[FireChan]

Again... not a fact.

 

And those 3 other teams being dumpster fires could have also played a role.

TT being a socialist could've also played a role. He may hate capitalism and the bourgeoisie.

Edited April 11, 2017 by FireChan

[HappyDays]

Teams got punished. That must mean it doesn't happen....

 

You know agents work for multiple players and talk to teams all the time, right? The Jets don't have to call Tyrod through the Bills FO to plant some seeds.

You're talking out both sides of your mouth. If teams are willing to break tampering rules, risking fines and draft picks, just to NEGOTIATE with Taylor... he must be one of the most highly sought QBs in the league. Or do you really think teams cheat on tampering with every single player who's already on contract? Come on. You're filling in the blanks as you want to but the truth is no one knows anything. It makes no sense that teams would break tampering rules to offer LESS MONEY than he was already getting. How does that make any sense?

 

Thank you Shaw for coming to this forum. I was a little on the fence about this discussion but now I am firmly decided that he can't have been secretly talking to teams, it makes no sense.

[FireChan]

You're talking out both sides of your mouth. If teams are willing to break tampering rules, risking fines and draft picks, just to NEGOTIATE with Taylor... he must be one of the most highly sought QBs in the league. Or do you really think teams cheat on tampering with every single player who's already on contract? Come on. You're filling in the blanks as you want to but the truth is no one knows anything. It makes no sense that teams would break tampering rules to offer LESS MONEY than he was already getting. How does that make any sense?

 

Thank you Shaw for coming to this forum. I was a little on the fence about this discussion but now I am firmly decided that he can't have been secretly talking to teams, it makes no sense.

Teams do this all the time. It's called due dilligence.

 

Ya'll thinking that TT and his agent had no clue what his value on the open market would be are insane.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The only fact is he was under contrqct and not a ufa. So you can act as jf your opinion is fact, but its more baloney than fact. You have zero insight as to what this organization was planning to do with Taylor.

Sure. Lets agree he was under contract.

 

Lets also agree that if he didn't accept less $ he would be a FA.

 

I believe it to be true that w/o a pay cut he was not going be a Bill under the 2015/2016 contract extension terms.