Any way you slice it Kaepernick represents good value

[Domdab99]

Kap just donated $50,000 to Meals on Wheels. What a ****ty person amirite?

 

Just came here to post this.

 

The over-reaction to him not standing in protest to an actual problem in this country is ridiculous. You don't agree, fine. But to demonize the kid is just pathetic.

And if you don't believe that it's an actual problem, watch the Oscar-nominated doc 13th. It's amazing.)

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

you know, the OP still hasn't returned to this thread...

 

 

 

 

 

[CanadianFan]

I respect the man. Until we can prove that we can IMPROVE QBs, he is a terrible idea. Look at the track record - EJ got worse. Tyrod didn't get better. Our best QB in the last 10 years was Fitz. and I'm depressed writing this. LOL

[KD in CA]

Was the other $450k or so donated the last couple months also just to get a job?

 

Is there anything wrong with the guy balancing the diminishing impact of kneeling with still maximizing his income and visibility (potentially for future activism)?

 

I waffle a bit on whether I agree with his stance but I sure don't think he's doing this stuff to maximize his own wealth.

 

Of course not. I imagine he has most of the $20M or so post-tax money he's earned, but let's be serious; his role as an activist or anything else largely depends on his ability to continue staying in the public spotlight by playing football.

 

If he wanted to be a full time activist he'd have announced that by now. He wants to keep adding to his fortune before he decides what's next in life. The charitable contributions are an investment in his brand, which has probably taken more of a hit than he anticipated.

[Alphadawg7]

 

Of course not. I imagine he has most of the $20M or so post-tax money he's earned, but let's be serious; his role as an activist or anything else largely depends on his ability to continue staying in the public spotlight by playing football.

 

If he wanted to be a full time activist he'd have announced that by now. He wants to keep adding to his fortune before he decides what's next in life. The charitable contributions are an investment in his brand, which has probably taken more of a hit than he anticipated.

 

Come on man, talk about downing a glass of hater aide. First, Kap has been giving back for a long time, and he does NOT announce it. He has given a ton to the community, to kids, to his camp, etc. He has given more money than most people will make on this board in their life time, and that was BEFORE the kneeling. And he doesn't do it for his brand...he doesn't announce it...he doesnt talk about it. In fact, a TON of people came out in his defense talking about all the money and time he has given those organizations when he started getting heat over the kneeling so people would know all these things he does in the community.

 

I mean no offense, but your post is the entire problem around him. The man CONTINUES to give...but now you have decided it serves a narrative of self interest despite the fact its perfectly in line with what he has done way before the kneeling. He could save a baby from a burning building and you people would make it a negative story...spin it to say he hates babies and only did it to get a job. I mean its ABSURD.

 

And finally, he is a football player not a "full time activist". He wants to continue his career, and he has every right to and deserves that right. He doesn't owe you or anyone else anything, he doesnt have to quit football and become a full time activist for him to stand up for something that he didn't think was right.

 

Nothing personal man, its just this kind of narrative just really irritates me, so sorry for the rant.

 

PS: To everyone else: If you don't give as much of yourself and time as he does for your own community, then you don't really have the right to criticize the person he is.

 

Just came here to post this.

 

The over-reaction to him not standing in protest to an actual problem in this country is ridiculous. You don't agree, fine. But to demonize the kid is just pathetic.

And if you don't believe that it's an actual problem, watch the Oscar-nominated doc 13th. It's amazing.)

 

THIS!

Edited March 22, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[Riverboat Richie]

The way I see it is that there is no middle ground,you're either for freedom of speech or you're against it. Telling someone what to say or think is hardly freedom.

[Just Joshin']

The way I see it is that there is no middle ground,you're either for freedom of speech or you're against it. Telling someone what to say or think is hardly freedom.

I do not see these as opposing points of view. He has the right to protest. How he protested can easily be seen as disrespectful. So I can support his right to protest but I think he could have done it in a better way.

[wilcoam]

I share Kaep's politics

So likely do alot of players in the NFL and on our Bills

However a decision to bring him in as a backup to TT should not be based on anybody's politics, but his abilities as a football player

And I think he would make a superb backup QB in Buffalo

A big upgrade to what we had in EJM

However it would have to be reasonable money wise and likely on short term contract

And I suspect contractual speaking our Bills and Kaep would likely not be on the same page

Great idea though

[Returntoglory]

 

 

some how I had the impression that you thought you were.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The way I see it is that there is no middle ground,you're either for freedom of speech or you're against it. Telling someone what to say or think is hardly freedom.

the problem with freedom of speech is that it doesn't come with an IQ meter.

[Bronxbomber21]

he shouldn't have opted out

I agree I was thinking the samething

[Buffalo86]

Kaepernick was protesting the shooting of unarmed black men, and then some Bills fans were selling t-shirts of Kaepernick (a black man) in the crosshairs. I'm 99% sure the irony of that was unintentional & unrealized.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

 

Come on man, talk about downing a glass of hater aide. First, Kap has been giving back for a long time, and he does NOT announce it. He has given a ton to the community, to kids, to his camp, etc. He has given more money than most people will make on this board in their life time, and that was BEFORE the kneeling. And he doesn't do it for his brand...he doesn't announce it...he doesnt talk about it. In fact, a TON of people came out in his defense talking about all the money and time he has given those organizations when he started getting heat over the kneeling so people would know all these things he does in the community.

 

I mean no offense, but your post is the entire problem around him. The man CONTINUES to give...but now you have decided it serves a narrative of self interest despite the fact its perfectly in line with what he has done way before the kneeling. He could save a baby from a burning building and you people would make it a negative story...spin it to say he hates babies and only did it to get a job. I mean its ABSURD.

 

And finally, he is a football player not a "full time activist". He wants to continue his career, and he has every right to and deserves that right. He doesn't owe you or anyone else anything, he doesnt have to quit football and become a full time activist for him to stand up for something that he didn't think was right.

 

Nothing personal man, its just this kind of narrative just really irritates me, so sorry for the rant.

 

PS: To everyone else: If you don't give as much of yourself and time as he does for your own community, then you don't really have the right to criticize the person he is.

 

 

THIS!

 

Silly. Of course people can criticize him, just like you criticized them. And he IS a football player and DOES have the right to pursue that, and teams have the right NOT to pick him up even if it's soley due to sensitivity about their brand and fan base....or their concern he just ain't good enough or any combination thereof.

 

One big part of the whole deal for me came when ESPN ran a promo for Bills/9ers and CK's protest. Some days I just want to watch football and not have some Oprahesque subdrama storyline.

 

Your post about the prior post being the problem is part of the problem, just the other side of it. And I do mean that with respect for your position as well.

[NoSaint]

If he wanted to be a full time activist he'd have announced that by now. He wants to keep adding to his fortune before he decides what's next in life. The charitable contributions are an investment in his brand, which has probably taken more of a hit than he anticipated.

there is a reasonable school of thought that someone in his position can do more as an activist by maximizing earnings and investments and then donating than they could ever dream of doing if they retired to "full time activism." Suiting up on sunday is likely the most impactful thing he could do as an activist right now.

 

also, in his down time he has taken up a ton of low key projects.

 

its ok to say "i dislike his stances, but he seems to genuinely believe them and want to back that up." Sometimes he does that really well, and sometimes he misses the mark. i dont think hes a fraud though.

Edited March 22, 2017 by NoSaint

[Boatdrinks]

Just came here to post this.

 

The over-reaction to him not standing in protest to an actual problem in this country is ridiculous. You don't agree, fine. But to demonize the kid is just pathetic.

And if you don't believe that it's an actual problem, watch the Oscar-nominated doc 13th. It's amazing.)

A few hundred police shootings a year ( the vast majority of which are justified by law) in a country of 300+ million, out of probably millions of encounters is not all that huge a problem. A lot bigger issues in the nation.

[NoSaint]

A few hundred police shootings a year ( the vast majority of which are justified by law) in a country of 300+ million, out of probably millions of encounters is not all that huge a problem. A lot bigger issues in the nation.

if you assume only the killings are a problem and not simply a symptom of wider issues that materialize in other abuses of power and really unfortunate outcomes for our citizens.

 

also, interestingly enough, the data is surprisingly inconsistent on all this -- which i think is frustrating. example -- california from 2003 to 2005 reported 160 TOTAL police homocides to the BJS, and 354 justified homocides to the FBI. That would imply the subset of justified killings is larger than the totality of killings occurring. Getting a handle on figuring out if the results of interaction with our justice system are where they need to be (equitable, fair, etc... across the board) is a big deal.

 

it also leads into natural discussions on a lot of related topics of the systems in place (education, employment, housing etc...). Bringing attention and working to provide better outcomes isnt outlandish by any means.

 

And of course, theres the fact that a lot of those other "more important" problems likewise have a lot of people working on them. you can work on multiple things in parallel.

[dave mcbride]

 

Come on man, talk about downing a glass of hater aide. First, Kap has been giving back for a long time, and he does NOT announce it. He has given a ton to the community, to kids, to his camp, etc. He has given more money than most people will make on this board in their life time, and that was BEFORE the kneeling. And he doesn't do it for his brand...he doesn't announce it...he doesnt talk about it. In fact, a TON of people came out in his defense talking about all the money and time he has given those organizations when he started getting heat over the kneeling so people would know all these things he does in the community.

 

I mean no offense, but your post is the entire problem around him. The man CONTINUES to give...but now you have decided it serves a narrative of self interest despite the fact its perfectly in line with what he has done way before the kneeling. He could save a baby from a burning building and you people would make it a negative story...spin it to say he hates babies and only did it to get a job. I mean its ABSURD.

 

And finally, he is a football player not a "full time activist". He wants to continue his career, and he has every right to and deserves that right. He doesn't owe you or anyone else anything, he doesnt have to quit football and become a full time activist for him to stand up for something that he didn't think was right.

 

Nothing personal man, its just this kind of narrative just really irritates me, so sorry for the rant.

 

PS: To everyone else: If you don't give as much of yourself and time as he does for your own community, then you don't really have the right to criticize the person he is.

 

THIS!

Good post. I respect the donation to Meals on Wheels, which is a great program. More importantly, he's more generous than I've ever been, and that's factoring in the income disparity.

 

I wish he was a better qb, but as a long-term backup he's at about par. He's not Matt Moore, but he's better than the Jets' backups.

[Boatdrinks]

if you assume only the killings are a problem and not simply a symptom of wider issues that materialize in other abuses of power and really unfortunate outcomes for our citizens.

also, interestingly enough, the data is surprisingly inconsistent on all this -- which i think is frustrating. example -- california from 2003 to 2005 reported 160 TOTAL police homocides to the BJS, and 354 justified homocides to the FBI. That would imply the subset of justified killings is larger than the totality of killings occurring. Getting a handle on figuring out if the results of interaction with our justice system are where they need to be (equitable, fair, etc... across the board) is a big deal.

it also leads into natural discussions on a lot of related topics of the systems in place (education, employment, housing etc...). Bringing attention and working to provide better outcomes isnt outlandish by any means.

And of course, theres the fact that a lot of those other "more important" problems likewise have a lot of people working on them. you can work on multiple things in parallel.

The data are probably inconsistent because there is no real pattern of abuse( though there are abuses or just mistakes even) . All interactions at the police level are obviously not equal. The " systems" in place are not inherently unfair. The largest predictor of educational success( thereby employment and financial/ housing "success" ) is the quality of the family and cultural based. Exactly as it was when studied back in the 60's. The shootings are a symptom of all those things but the remedy starts at home. Even Jim Brown pointed this out amid the media circus. Not surprisingly his comments were not highly publicized by CNN et al. Edited March 22, 2017 by Boatdrinks

[boyst]

 

Come on man, talk about downing a glass of hater aide. First, Kap has been giving back for a long time, and he does NOT announce it. He has given a ton to the community, to kids, to his camp, etc. He has given more money than most people will make on this board in their life time, and that was BEFORE the kneeling. And he doesn't do it for his brand...he doesn't announce it...he doesnt talk about it. In fact, a TON of people came out in his defense talking about all the money and time he has given those organizations when he started getting heat over the kneeling so people would know all these things he does in the community.

 

I mean no offense, but your post is the entire problem around him. The man CONTINUES to give...but now you have decided it serves a narrative of self interest despite the fact its perfectly in line with what he has done way before the kneeling. He could save a baby from a burning building and you people would make it a negative story...spin it to say he hates babies and only did it to get a job. I mean its ABSURD.

 

And finally, he is a football player not a "full time activist". He wants to continue his career, and he has every right to and deserves that right. He doesn't owe you or anyone else anything, he doesnt have to quit football and become a full time activist for him to stand up for something that he didn't think was right.

 

Nothing personal man, its just this kind of narrative just really irritates me, so sorry for the rant.

 

PS: To everyone else: If you don't give as much of yourself and time as he does for your own community, then you don't really have the right to criticize the person he is.

 

 

THIS!

I haven't posted all day today here

 

But my favorite giving of his was his pig socks. Boy that showed everyone how unfair treatment is! I read here it was his plot to get the attention started for the movement. Then, well, he talked to vets to ask if he should sit or kneel after he figured out sitting just made him look lazy because it was lazy. That was a lot of cool. Then the idea that Castro was good. Yeah, ask the american Cuban population on that.

 

His donations of money pale in comparison to the average american % I saw a great article illustrating this I saved. He donates very little of his income % to the average American. Hell I donate roughly 10-12% of my post tax income to charity and still volunteer hours monthly.

 

To praise a man that has a narrative that has been proven false is fine. That is opinion.

 

To praise a man who gives to charity is usually silly. Its a write off, its a press campaign, its public relations.

 

When he puts actual work behind his words and not just $$$ and press photos of him doing blablablabullshit than OK. When he joins the peace corps to help 3rd world nations like Detroit and Chicago I'll listen. When he works with established youth centers to volunteer, directly fund, tutor and mentor kids I'll listen. But when he is mailing a check, getting the warm fuzzy pictures he is no different than a dead beat dad posting his kids on instagram the one weekend a year he goes off to find them

[Domdab99]

A few hundred police shootings a year ( the vast majority of which are justified by law) in a country of 300+ million, out of probably millions of encounters is not all that huge a problem. A lot bigger issues in the nation.

Unless, of course, you're black.