Real McClappy Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 A first round pick, in a WR heavy draft full of talent. We traded up, he barely played last year. It's a what have you done for me lately league. For what it's worth.. a healthy Sammy IMO is a top 3 WR in this league. ATL fans were saying the exact same thing for JJ with the exact same injury.
WGBillsFan Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 I say Maybin...after his NFL career (if you can call it a career) he couldn't even make it in the CFL....maybe his art/painting career will be better than his football career.
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 Recency bias is an interesting phenomenon. Just aren't as many fans who remember the 60s and 70s.
K-9 Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 Just aren't as many fans who remember the 60s and 70s. No doubt personal experience plays a role, but I don't think it explains it entirely.
BADOLBILZ Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) We need Leroi or jw to give us some insight... However my understanding is the Bills wanted Lynch out as much as Lynch wanted out. Maybe more so. None of this is being disputed. Hell, Gilmore wanted out of Buffalo the moment he was drafted ...........and yet they made him play out his deal. The point is that sometimes the pick is worse than the player........even when the player himself falls far short of expectations. Spiller was taken as a "need" because they were planning to move on from Lynch and wanted a different kind of lead back for Gailey's system. Need picks early in the draft tend to be mistakes..........but the Spiller pick was a double-doozie because it made it easy for them to dump a player entering his prime who would become their most accomplished #1 pick in the last 30+ years......as well as the missed opportunity at more important positions later in the draft. Those were the treading water days where they were dumping guys like Pat Williams, Lawyer Milloy, Nate Clements and London Fletcher then turning around and using their top picks on "replacements" McCargo, Whitner, McKelvin and Poz. Hard to get ahead when you are a bad team and all you are doing is letting good players go and replacing them, with "mixed results"(to be kind). Edited March 19, 2017 by #BADOL
JohnC Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 Hard to get ahead when you are a bad team and all you are doing is letting good players go and replacing them, with "mixed results"(to be kind). Won't the Bills be following the same let go to replace approach if they use their first pick on a CB? Or another way of looking at it is if you don't move forward then you are not moving forward. The status quo might be an appealing position to be in if you are a winner but if you are a loser it is not something that should find appealing unless you are comfortable with your loser status.
JinxedBill1 Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 Being in my 30s, Maybin is the biggest bust I've seen and it's not even close.
Rob's House Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 As far as production to draft pick value Maybin's about as bad as it gets. But if we're judging based on the overall detriment to the franchise I'd say it's a toss up between Losman and EJ Manwell; not because of the loss of picks but because the investment in each of them caused us to forego better options that in each case set the franchise back years.
blacklabel Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 It's Aaron Maybin and it's not even close. Don't know how/why anyone would call Spiller their worst first round pick ever. The dude didn't match the hype but he was productive and had an excellent year in 2012. Maybin made a handful of tackles, zero sacks and was cut after two seasons. With his size and athletic ability he should've been converted to tight end. 6'4", 250, ran a 4.64 40, had a 40" vertical, a 10'10" broad jump, 22 reps on the bench press. Jauron went gaga for his burst off the snap but that's all he had in his arsenal. Couldn't stack and shed blocks, had no counter moves, pure speed rusher. After that, I'd say Mike Williams, but he was the number one OL on every teams board that year and was one of those "sure thing" types that never made it. Losman, Whitner, McKelvin, etc. none of those guys ever lived up to their draft slot but they at least had stretches of time where they contributed. Maybin contributed zero, which is why I can't understand how he isn't the unanimous choice for worst first rounder ever selected by the Bills, haha.
Greybeard Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 Worst pick: Maybin -- he was so bad he shouldn't have been drafted at all, talent-wise he was a camp cut. Guy simply couldn't play football unless he was lined up against 20-year old future insurance agents and high school coaches. Mike Williams may have been a disappointment but he started something like 50 games. There's no comparison between those two. Worst decision: Losman -- they still hasn't recovered from the ramifications of that trade/pick. It's blasphemy to even suggest it, but yeah, Marino should have been the pick. If the Bills had picked Marino, the team would have been entirely different in the 90's. One of the best things Kelly did for the Bills was not play for them right from the start. This allowed the Bills to suck really bad and collect some really high draft picks, which really helped all through those super bowl years. They didn't have to try to tank, they were naturally bad. If Kelly would have come to Buffalo when first drafted, they would have been mediocre those first few years and IMO would have never made it to a super bowl.
re enlightener Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 The problem with McGahee was that he only played hard until he was given the starting role over Henry. Once Henry was off the team, McGahee stopped playing as hard which is why Levy traded him to Baltimore. yes but had we kept willis and let fred start one game the next year, like we should have, he woulda been in the same boat and started playing again, marshawns drafting also kept FJ hidden for an extra 2 years on the roster, kinda like bringing in TO kept SJ hidden for an extra year.
harv shitz Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 Oh my, could go on for days! In any particular order: Maybin, Manuel, Tony Hunter, Tom Cousineau, The WR we took instead of Russel Wilson, Mike Williams, RB Terry Miller. We certainly have missed on a bunch of guys, where a good pick could have made a huge difference. The bypass of Russell Wilson is one of the most befuddling moves this team ever made! You needed a quarterback in the worst way, yet don't take a guy who would have immediately made you a playoff team.
BADOLBILZ Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 Won't the Bills be following the same let go to replace approach if they use their first pick on a CB? Or another way of looking at it is if you don't move forward then you are not moving forward. The status quo might be an appealing position to be in if you are a winner but if you are a loser it is not something that should find appealing unless you are comfortable with your loser status. If they reach over better players at similarly important positions.....yes. The early rounds of the draft shouldn't be about filling needs but occasionally you let a player go when you foresee a very deep draft......and use that money ELSEWHERE. But the reality is that needs change FAST. One moment you have the best pass rushing front in the NFL........7 months later you are reaching for a pass rushing DE in round 1 to fill a need. Here is another simple rule of thumb that the Bills often did not follow...........if the player you draft in the early rounds pans out and you are like "we can't pay a (insert position) that much money" when they hit free agency.......then you shouldn't have drafted them early in the first place. Picks that irritated me were guys like Preston Brown and John Miller........their ceilings were such that they are destined to leave in free agency.......if they panned out there would be 2-3 LB/G-sick teams that would overpay a bit to avoid having to draft those positions.....and if not then you end up STILL needy.
The Jokeman Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 Al Cowlings considering many great DTs were drafted after him.
dgrochester55 Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) Got to go with Maybin. A lot of the other guys mentioned in here, were at least thought of highly in the first place, and not just by the Bills. I'm not sure anyone else in the league would have taken Maybin where we did, whereas I think others would have made the same mistake we did, with other guys mentioned. Yeah, I mentioned Maybin earlier. The difference so me is others busts like Spiller, Whitner, Williams and even Losman and Manuel to an extent at least played for awhile. Had any of them hypothetically been picked from mid to late round,the would have been just another guy. Maybin was so bad that he could have been picked in the 6th and 7th round and still been considered a bust. Edited March 20, 2017 by dgrochester55
jjmac Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 Terry had a 1000 yard season no? Tuttle did zilch I expect more than that from a first-round pick. Terry Miller had a good rookie season (1,000+ yards rushing) and then was replaced by Joe Cribbs A first rounder replaced by a second rounder.
34-78-83 Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 I expect more than that from a first-round pick. A first rounder replaced by a second rounder. All True but Tuttle did nothing, nor did Flowers or Maybin... That makes them worse picks than Miller.
boyst Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 Just aren't as many fans who remember the 60s and 70s. and many of us are trying to forget the 00's and 10's.
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