TheFunPolice Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 If you want to draft a CB at #10, why not trade #10 for Sherman? Is your rookie going to be better? Obviously there is the $$ aspect, but talent-wise...
Big C Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) If you want to draft a CB at #10, why not trade #10 for Sherman? Is your rookie going to be better? Obviously there is the $$ aspect, but talent-wise... It's money and also, theoretically, five years of solid play. You get a top CB who is younger than Sherman for a longer period of time for less money. No way you trade a pick that high. Edited April 11, 2017 by Big C
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 It's money and also, theoretically, five years of solid play. You get a top CB who is younger than Sherman for a longer period of time for less money. No way you trade a pick that high. Not necessarily, if you think that you have 5 good years of Sherman that would coincide with the rookie's 2nd contract. If he is a top young CB he is getting Gilmore type money at that same period. You would have him cheaper now but not necessarily cheaper and longer.
Big C Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Not necessarily, if you think that you have 5 good years of Sherman that would coincide with the rookie's 2nd contract. If he is a top young CB he is getting Gilmore type money at that same period. You would have him cheaper now but not necessarily cheaper and longer. Not sure what you mean. Give or take, you get 5 years of play from the rookie for the same cost as 2 years of Sherman. His contract expires after 2018. Is he going to re-sign with us? Not necessarily. And if he did, would it be for $3-4m per year? No way. Re-signing the draftee is a concern that's too far in the future to worry about right now. Sherman is good, but how many CBs maintain elite performance into their mid 30s? That's another concern I'd have. I should clarify that I am not against acquiring Sherman, I just don't think the #10 pick is fair value for us. Edited April 11, 2017 by Big C
mannc Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 The problems with Sherman are that he is 29, highly paid and apparently is considered toxic by one of the best and easiest coaches in the league to get along with. Most teams don't want to trade a no. 1 for that. Hope the Bills don't.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 Not sure what you mean. Give or take, you get 5 years of play from the rookie for the same cost as 2 years of Sherman. His contract expires after 2018. Is he going to re-sign with us? Not necessarily. And if he did, would it be for $3-4m per year? No way. Re-signing the draftee is a concern that's too far in the future to worry about right now. Sherman is good, but how many CBs maintain elite performance into their mid 30s? That's another concern I'd have. I should clarify that I am not against acquiring Sherman, I just don't think the #10 pick is fair value for us. I apologize because what I said wasn't very clear. Let me try again. The cost for Sherman will be greater than the guy that you draft at 10. If you believe that you have 5 good years left of Sherman (which is reasonable given his age) that is the same amount of time that you would have the 1st round pick under contract. After those 5 years are up (assuming that you exercised the 5th year option) that player will be an UFA. Sherman, to me, also has a future as a S. I know that they say that about all corners but I think that his game would translate if needed. He will certainly be more expensive than the 10th pick over the next 5 years but you can expect a superior level of play as well. I am not saying that they should or they shouldn't get him but it could make sense in our predicament. He is one of the best players in the league at his position, that position is one of the Bills top needs and plays in a scheme similar to ours. I would do 44 without hesitating but don't think that gets it done. What if the Bills could trade down with Houston (as an example ) and pick up a 3rd and a 2018 first? They could trade 25 for Sherman, still have 44, 75, and 89. You can walk out of the draft with Sherman, Zay Jones/Budda Baker/Zach Cunnigham, Kupp/Anzalone/King, Justin Evans/Godwin/Beckwith and a 2018 1st to go get your QB. That would be killer.
Big C Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) I apologize because what I said wasn't very clear. Let me try again. The cost for Sherman will be greater than the guy that you draft at 10. If you believe that you have 5 good years left of Sherman (which is reasonable given his age) that is the same amount of time that you would have the 1st round pick under contract. After those 5 years are up (assuming that you exercised the 5th year option) that player will be an UFA. Sherman, to me, also has a future as a S. I know that they say that about all corners but I think that his game would translate if needed. He will certainly be more expensive than the 10th pick over the next 5 years but you can expect a superior level of play as well. I am not saying that they should or they shouldn't get him but it could make sense in our predicament. He is one of the best players in the league at his position, that position is one of the Bills top needs and plays in a scheme similar to ours. I would do 44 without hesitating but don't think that gets it done. What if the Bills could trade down with Houston (as an example ) and pick up a 3rd and a 2018 first? They could trade 25 for Sherman, still have 44, 75, and 89. You can walk out of the draft with Sherman, Zay Jones/Budda Baker/Zach Cunnigham, Kupp/Anzalone/King, Justin Evans/Godwin/Beckwith and a 2018 1st to go get your QB. That would be killer. Right, but are you assuming we extend Sherman for an additional three years? And totally, if we trade down that far I would be down with trading for Sherman. Edited April 11, 2017 by Big C
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 Right, but are you assuming we extend Sherman for an additional three years? And totally, if we trade down that far I would be down with trading for Sherman. I am. I would assume that any team that dealt for him would add a couple of years on the back end.
Big C Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 I am. I would assume that any team that dealt for him would add a couple of years on the back end. Fair. A team in our position would have to to make the deal worth it. I think more likely the teams looking to trade for Sherman would be competitors looking for a short term rental (New England almost certainly would not extend him).
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 11, 2017 Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) If you want to draft a CB at #10, why not trade #10 for Sherman? Is your rookie going to be better? Obviously there is the $$ aspect, but talent-wise... ....Carroll baby sat Marshawn for how long and now says he's fed up with Sherman's crap?.....Pete is pretty player oriented so Sherman's sideline hissy fits sealed his fate......why inherit the diva headache?...hate these "me guys" who have no respect for the game and ignore that they are one of 1,696 privileged people out of SEVEN BILLION worldwide in the NFL for millions....... Edited April 11, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
BADOLBILZ Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 The problems with Sherman are that he is 29, highly paid and apparently is considered toxic by one of the best and easiest coaches in the league to get along with. Most teams don't want to trade a no. 1 for that. Hope the Bills don't. As much of a positive, optimistic, tolerant coach as he is.....Pete Carroll can't put that Super Bowl blunder back in the bottle. Sherman is a player who is fueled by hate, perceived slights.....negativity in general.......so he is going to keep bringing it up because it's always going to be there.
papazoid Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 Richard is the first student in 20 years qualified to attend Stanford on both academic and athletic merits. will likely be president of the NFLPA one day.
BADOLBILZ Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) Not necessarily, if you think that you have 5 good years of Sherman that would coincide with the rookie's 2nd contract. If he is a top young CB he is getting Gilmore type money at that same period. You would have him cheaper now but not necessarily cheaper and longer. This talk reminds me of the Nate Clements free agency situation. The Bills let Nate walk.......and dropped 20 spots in pass defense the following season.......because they chose not to franchise or pay him top dollar. The following offseason they then had to use their high first round pick on a CB.........a surefire lockdown CB named Leodis McKelvin. 6 years later.......McKelvin finally had his first decent season in the NFL. Would it have been smarter to overpay Nate and maybe draft another perennial need like a QB (Joe Flacco) or an OT (Ryan Clady) instead? The Bills already rolled the dice not franchising Gilmore.......if they draft a guy like Lattimore and he flames out......it's a similar situation. Sherman is a known quantity......it's not a knock on Gilmore to say Sherman is the far better player, he just is.........and none of these talented CB's coming out is anything close to a lock, regardless of the love some may have for them right now. Edited April 12, 2017 by #BADOL
Kirby Jackson Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) This talk reminds me of the Nate Clements free agency situation. The Bills let Nate walk.......and dropped 20 spots in pass defense the following season.......because they chose not to franchise or pay him top dollar. The following offseason they then had to use their high first round pick on a CB.........a surefire lockdown CB named Leodis McKelvin. 6 years later.......McKelvin finally had his first decent season in the NFL. Would it have been smarter to overpay Nate and maybe draft another perennial need like a QB (Joe Flacco) or an OT (Ryan Clady) instead? The Bills already rolled the dice not franchising Gilmore.......if they draft a guy like Lattimore and he flames out......it's a similar situation. Sherman is a known quantity......it's not a knock on Gilmore to say Sherman is the far better player, he just is.........and none of these talented CB's coming out is anything close to a lock, regardless of the love some may have for them right now. That is the exact example that I keep thinking of when discussing Sherman. Edited April 12, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
papazoid Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 the chances of a rookie CB at #10 becoming an all-pro is about 10% said rookie will still average $4-5 mil/yr over 5 years (assuming 5th yr option) richard is on books for 2 more years at $11mil/yr. there is no question in my mind having a proven 4X first team Pro Bowler is better than rolling the dice with an unproven rookie. having said that, he ain't willingly coming to a non-playoff team.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) I would like us to move down to 13 by trading with Arizona (presumably to draft Mahomes). I want #77 back, giving us 13,44,75 and 77. The sweet spot of this draft is in that range. I am on record in this thread as saying I wouldn't trade 44 for Sherman. However, shouid we make the above trade with Arizona that changes, heck even Trapassos idea of Koundjio and 44 is fine. The result is we still have 3 picks, which we need desperately, in the sweet spot of this draft for (WLB or Edge,S, Rec or QB. If we could end up with say Reddick, Sherman, Zay Jones and Derek Rivers that would be sweet. Or heck trade down again and end up with a safety as well. I hope we are creative in the draft. Edited April 12, 2017 by horned dogs
boyst Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 Ah. Good to know if I wish to skip to the end. Thanks So, its been 2 weeks. What's taking so long? x. Richard is the first student in 20 years qualified to attend Stanford on both academic and athletic merits. will likely be president of the NFLPA one day. he would get spanked by the businessmen of the league. I'd welcome this. Screw the labor.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2017 Author Posted April 18, 2017 Trade coming during next week's draft? @AlbertBreer Source: Richard Sherman won’t be at Seahawks’ offseason workouts today, but plans to report in early/mid May, before OTAs.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 21, 2017 Author Posted April 21, 2017 @AdamSchefter GM John Schneider was asked about a Richard Sherman trade on 710 ESPN Seattle. "Right now, I don't think the odds are very good," he said.
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