Deranged Rhino Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Deal's been done since November, folks.... Iran's next.
KD in CA Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Wow....on Trump's watch!! How are the liberals going to spin that?
B-Man Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Trump critic Ian Bremmer credits Trump with North and South Korea (yes, seriously) Quote ian bremmer ✔@ianbremmer I’ve been critical of Trump foreign policy missteps in past year: TPP, Paris, too many unnecessary missteps with allies to count. But today’s historic North/South Korea breakthrough does not happen without priority & pressure from US President. Trump deserves full credit. 5:41 AM - Apr 27, 2018 Major props to Ian for giving credit where credit is due. It’s not an easy thing to do.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Wow....on Trump's watch!! How are the liberals going to spin that? Just wait until it's official and the Nobel talks start in earnest:
row_33 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Wow....on Trump's watch!! How are the liberals going to spin that? who cares, the Dems and the media are that c-unit of a mother-in-law hey wait, an archetype for HIllary in so many ways
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Just wait until it's official and the Nobel talks start in earnest: They'll award it to President Obama for his "efforts towards global peace, resilient and successful, even in the face of active sabotage by a current President dead set on total global annihilation." Or some other such bull ****. 1
row_33 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 maybe Al Gore can fumble his way through a pack of lies of a climate speech and win it again.
DC Tom Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Wow....on Trump's watch!! How are the liberals going to spin that? Judging by Twitter..."This has nothing to do with Trump, this is all China and North Korea. Trump's not even there!" Because the president can't possibly be at all responsibly if he's not physically inserting himself in to the middle.
row_33 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Judging by Twitter..."This has nothing to do with Trump, this is all China and North Korea. Trump's not even there!" Because the president can't possibly be at all responsibly if he's not physically inserting himself in to the middle. They did worse for Reagan, they are such a bunch of losers.
boyst Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Judging by Twitter..."This has nothing to do with Trump, this is all China and North Korea. Trump's not even there!" Because the president can't possibly be at all responsibly if he's not physically inserting himself in to the middle. 3rd link broke Fify Link
DC Tom Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: 3rd link broke Fify Link You get a gold star for that one. 1
Paulus Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Trump gets some credit for this summit, but it is really just a dog and pony show, and means nothing substantively.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Paulus said: Trump gets some credit for this summit, but it is really just a dog and pony show, and means nothing substantively. Sure... for now. But if a deal gets done that denuclearizes the DPRK, ends the Korean War officially, allows troops to come home, and sets the stage for actual reunification talks... it means a whole hell of a lot.
row_33 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Paulus said: Trump gets some credit for this summit, but it is really just a dog and pony show, and means nothing substantively. That's a totally cynical view..... it's kind of a big deal over there and Americans died over the cause...
Paulus Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: That's a totally cynical view..... it's kind of a big deal over there and Americans died over the cause... North Korea has its bombs, and has tested its nuclear weapons and delivery devices multiple times. How many tests did we run before we used the A-bomb. Cynical, yes. Accurate, yes. That said, the summit is a positive move, despite it likely being a meaningless gesture meant to politically manipulate. 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Sure... for now. But if a deal gets done that denuclearizes the DPRK, ends the Korean War officially, allows troops to come home, and sets the stage for actual reunification talks... it means a whole hell of a lot. If that happens, I'll concede how wrong I am to you, Bigfoot, and The Great and Powerful Oz.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, Paulus said: North Korea has its bombs, and has tested its nuclear weapons and delivery devices multiple times. How many tests did we run before we used the A-bomb. Cynical, yes. Accurate, yes. That said, the summit is a positive move, despite it likely being a meaningless gesture meant to politically manipulate. If that happens, I'll concede how wrong I am to you, Bigfoot, and The Great and Powerful Oz. I understand the hesitation to trust the DPRK's lofty promises, I do. It's a rational approach to the run up to this summit, so don't get me wrong. But it's amazing to me that people can be so dismissive of massive change happening right in front of their face. We're in a new world... This is not a negotiating ploy... it would harm Kim at home more than it would help. His people (as in his generals) believe this is a sign of weakness, not strength. Yet he's doing it anyway... not just doing it, but making giant concessions along the way. DPRK and the Mullahs are going away, this year. Then it'll be impossible to ignore what's happening.
Paulus Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I understand the hesitation to trust the DPRK's lofty promises, I do. It's a rational approach to the run up to this summit, so don't get me wrong. But it's amazing to me that people can be so dismissive of massive change happening right in front of their face. We're in a new world... This is not a negotiating ploy... it would harm Kim at home more than it would help. His people (as in his generals) believe this is a sign of weakness, not strength. Yet he's doing it anyway... not just doing it, but making giant concessions along the way. DPRK and the Mullahs are going away, this year. Then it'll be impossible to ignore what's happening. I am pretty much in agreement with you. Despite it arguably being mainly for show, concessions were made and I doubt this would have happened under a Clinton regime. It'll be interesting to see what this summit will be viewed as in 5, 10, 20 years. 1
row_33 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, Paulus said: North Korea has its bombs, and has tested its nuclear weapons and delivery devices multiple times. How many tests did we run before we used the A-bomb. Cynical, yes. Accurate, yes. That said, the summit is a positive move, despite it likely being a meaningless gesture meant to politically manipulate. If that happens, I'll concede how wrong I am to you, Bigfoot, and The Great and Powerful Oz. This is better than bribing them and acting like the US is lower than a beta-country.
Paulus Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, row_33 said: This is better than bribing them and acting like the US is lower than a beta-country. Don't get me wrong, what happened was a positive thing. I just have very little faith in NK doing being genuinely forthcoming.
snafu Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Deal's been done since November, folks.... Iran's next. Is Kim standing on a stepstool, or is Moon short, too? And Nobel being Nobel, they will give the award to Kim, of course, or Elizabeth Warren so she has cred for her 2020 run. 2
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