Beef Jerky Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 1996-2016 Cardale Jones, Rd 4 2016 EJ Manuel, Rd 1 2013 Levi Brown, Rd 7 2010 Trent Edwards, Rd 3 2007 JP Losman, Rd 1 2001 How pathetic, if you don't try you will never find a QB. Only 2 in the first round. Edited March 14, 2017 by Beef Jerky
Boatdrinks Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Yep, although this may be well worn territory . You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. And this franchise just hasn't taken enough shots at the QB position. Especially as this downturn has gone on and on.
Beef Jerky Posted March 14, 2017 Author Posted March 14, 2017 They drafted 4 QBs while they had Kim Kelly... Something doesn't make sense.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Cardale Jones, Rd 4 2016 EJ Manuel, Rd 1 2013 Levi Brown, Rd 7 2010 Trent Edwards, Rd 3 2007 JP Losman, Rd 1 2001 How pathetic, if you don't try you will never find a QB. Only 2 in the first round. ...all Canton bound....the Cantonese province in China...........
ocemur Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 How many did they trade for? Bledsoe and R. Johnson were acquired to start. T Taylor was a FA. What was Flutie? FA acquisition? You may still have a point, but QB's are found outside the draft, too. The NYG traded for Eli, the Saints didn't draft Brees. The question is, how many shots did they take at a starting QB? I don't consider Levi Brown to be one, but Bledsoe certainly was.
LI_Bills Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Cardale Jones, Rd 4 2016 EJ Manuel, Rd 1 2013 Levi Brown, Rd 7 2010 Trent Edwards, Rd 3 2007 JP Losman, Rd 1 2001 How pathetic, if you don't try you will never find a QB. Only 2 in the first round. That is stunning. I'm not a proponent of drafting one every year until you hit the jackpot, but 5 since 2001 is ridiculous.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 ...all Canton bound....the Cantonese province in China........... There's no Hunan Beef there.
Success Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 I'll be disappointed if they don't snag a qb in the 1st 3 rounds or so this year. Sad draft history. Hard to figure out why we have so often devalued the most important position.
Samwell Tarly Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Five in 20 years is too few. Not saying draft three a year like some radio hosts but every four years is too few.
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Yep, although this may be well worn territory . You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. And this franchise just hasn't taken enough shots at the QB position. Especially as this downturn has gone on and on. The Bills haven’t had a “big picture” guy. The guy who takes his nose out of the tiny details and can pinpoint THE #1 PROBLEM. Here’s a “big picture” example…Why is it ok for the Texans to draft Mahomes at #25 (tons of mocks have this), but the Bills would be complete fools to do so at #10? 1. One team gets their franchise QB because his value starts to get slotted around their pick. 2. The other team (which is just as desperate lacking a franchise long term QB), drafts a safety or wide receiver. Yet they still don’t have their answer to the franchise QB solution. Given how monumentally important the QB position is in the NFL. In what world does this seem logical? Smart? Edited March 14, 2017 by 1billsfan
Real McClappy Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Cardale Jones, Rd 4 2016 EJ Manuel, Rd 1 2013 Levi Brown, Rd 7 2010 Trent Edwards, Rd 3 2007 JP Losman, Rd 1 2001 How pathetic, if you don't try you will never find a QB. Only 2 in the first round. Cause according to many every QB draft class is weak and next year is better. Bills front office has been delusional thus the same as many fans. 3 - 1st round QB's selected in franchise history is a slap in the face to every Bills fan. Add on: The mediocre 6-10 through 9-7 have records destroyed any real chance at the top flight QB's (See Big Ben who we would have drafted) as we continue to do the BPA in the 1st round every year. Take a look at our 1st round picks the last 20 years and see what they have done for this team. Edited March 14, 2017 by Real McCoy
KellyToughII Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Its simple really, They can't evaluate QB's worth a damn
Success Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Its simple really, They can't evaluate QB's worth a damnHow do we even know? They have to try more. Qb's are the biggest crapshoot in the draft. Edited March 14, 2017 by Success
Beef Jerky Posted March 14, 2017 Author Posted March 14, 2017 That is stunning. I'm not a proponent of drafting one every year until you hit the jackpot, but 5 since 2001 is ridiculous. Actually 5 since 1996...
LI_Bills Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) With the benefit of hindsight this may sound stupid, but at the time I actually thought making the reach for EJ was a good move. They saw the guy they wanted at the most important position and made sure they got him. Problem was it turned out to be a big swing and miss. Years ago I read something about how Jerry Jones would go after talented, high risk castoffs in free agency. Coming from the oil industry he was used to spending tons of cash drilling dry holes in the hopes that he'd strike oil on one of them. As it was told, that's how he made his fortune. The 5 since 2001 points out that we need to take more chances regardless which round. Edited March 14, 2017 by LI_Bills
dgrochester55 Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) It's funny, I posted a thread with this exact subject a few hours before the BBMB shut down and was told by a couple of "experts" that the thread was pointless and that I was idiotic for posting it. This is a real issue and a big part of why we are in a playoff drought. In contrast, New England who has had arguably the best quarterback of all time since 2001 has drafted twice as many quarterback as Buffalo during the same time frame. Long story short, quarterback is never a position that you should neglect, especially when you do not have one. Edited March 14, 2017 by dgrochester55
dgrochester55 Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Does this include C. Jones? WOW Cardale Jones and Levi Brown, lol
Boatdrinks Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 The Bills haven’t had a “big picture” guy. The guy who takes his nose out of the tiny details and can pinpoint THE #1 PROBLEM. Here’s a “big picture” example…Why is it ok for the Texans to draft Mahomes at #25 (tons of mocks have this), but the Bills would be complete fools to do so at #10? 1. One team gets their franchise QB because his value starts to get slotted around their pick. 2. The other team (which is just as desperate lacking a franchise long term QB), drafts a safety or wide receiver. Yet they still don’t have their answer to the franchise QB solution. It's all about value and bust potential. The bust factor on a QB is very high. It's just hard to tell if a guy has what it takes to transfer to the pro game. Measurables are huge, but players with those bust too. Mostly because it's hard to measure what's between their ears and how it will operate when the bullets are flying. So if you are passing up studs at a less important ( but less of a bust factor) position, well GMs don't want to do that. The Texans taking a Mahomes at 25 isn't seen as a desperate move. Nor would the Bills trading down for an extra pick or two, then picking Mahomes a bit later. That would be seen as a value move. Doesn't change Mahomes bust potential one bit but it mitigates the risk by theoretically helping the team with value picks where solid starters are still found . Spending pick ten and getting a bust is a lose- lose. It's a fine line, but a good GM will maximize his value. Similarly, the Bills loved Brees in 2001. They didn't love him enough to draft at their spot in round one and took Nate Clements. Brees was gone by their pick in round two. A move down there to pick up extra choices and get Brees would have been much more valuable than Clements. Drafting a QB high doesn't make him better than he is, but you need to take him if you believe in him. The importance of the position has increased need drafting and over drafting of QBs, with middling results. Take a guy where he falls on your board and get close to there by a trade down if it's warranted. First round picks are scarce commodities. Given how monumentally important the QB position is in the NFL. In what world does this seem logical? Smart?
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