If you had to choose 1 out of the 10, who would it be?

[NewEra]

First you were wrong about his td production.

Then you were wrong about his level of competition vs roscoe and goodwins.

The only thing you uave said that is even remotely true is that he is the same size as Antonio Brown. You know who else was Roscoe and Goodwin. He missed two seasons. One with a torn meniscus the other with a torn meniscus and acl. Why do you continue to lie? Now hes scheduled for a shoulder surgery and likely to miss quite abit of time at the beginning of the season. The only reason hes being talkes about at all is his speed. That isnt a reason to remotely draft him anywhere near 10 with 4 significant injuries, a bery small frame, one year of production against low competion. You might want to step away from the keyboard abit.

You're comparing 2 WRs that produced next to nothing in college to a player that produced at a very high level. The only knock on Ross imo is the micro fracture surgery, yet he came back from that and produced at a very high level and is one of the fastest players ever. He runs good routes and gets good separation, two things Williams has issues with. While I hope we don't select a WR in rd 1, if we took Ross, I understand why. He's a gamebreaking type WR.

 

Continueing to bring up how Bandit got his TD total wrong (by one) is just making your argument look weaker

[mannc]

First you were wrong about his td production.

Then you were wrong about his level of competition vs roscoe and goodwins.

The only thing you uave said that is even remotely true is that he is the same size as Antonio Brown. You know who else was Roscoe and Goodwin. He missed two seasons. One with a torn meniscus the other with a torn meniscus and acl. Why do you continue to lie? Now hes scheduled for a shoulder surgery and likely to miss quite abit of time at the beginning of the season. The only reason hes being talkes about at all is his speed. That isnt a reason to remotely draft him anywhere near 10 with 4 significant injuries, a bery small frame, one year of production against low competion. You might want to step away from the keyboard abit.

Wow. This caps off one of the most profoundly ignorant and insulting series of posts in the history of TSW. Congratulations. After only 296 posts, you are on a pace to re-write the record book.

[thebandit27]

First you were wrong about his td production.

Then you were wrong about his level of competition vs roscoe and goodwins.

The only thing you uave said that is even remotely true is that he is the same size as Antonio Brown. You know who else was Roscoe and Goodwin. He missed two seasons. One with a torn meniscus the other with a torn meniscus and acl. Why do you continue to lie? Now hes scheduled for a shoulder surgery and likely to miss quite abit of time at the beginning of the season. The only reason hes being talkes about at all is his speed. That isnt a reason to remotely draft him anywhere near 10 with 4 significant injuries, a bery small frame, one year of production against low competion. You might want to step away from the keyboard abit.

Sorry, I should've picked up on the schtick sooner.

 

My bad.

[Just Joshin']

Jamal Adams.

 

Even though I've been slightly frustrated by Whaley's love of drafting ACC and SEC players, who have no idea how to play in the cold, the Bills need another safety and he's slightly better than Hooker IMO. Even before Hooker's injury. In any event he probably won't last until 10.

 

yes - correct answer

[Bill_with_it]

You're comparing 2 WRs that produced next to nothing in college to a player that produced at a very high level. The only knock on Ross imo is the micro fracture surgery, yet he came back from that and produced at a very high level and is one of the fastest players ever. He runs good routes and gets good separation, two things Williams has issues with. While I hope we don't select a WR in rd 1, if we took Ross, I understand why. He's a gamebreaking type WR.

 

Continueing to bring up how Bandit got his TD total wrong (by one) is just making your argument look weaker

What?

Ross production: 114 rec 1729 yds

Goodwin: 120 rec 1364 yds

Parrish: 86 rec 1355

Thats about as close as you can get. They were playing against better defenses than the likes of the oft injured Ross.

There is no possible way he is worth a top ten and picking him in the first round alone is questionable with everything considered.

[Bill_with_it]

Wow. This caps off one of the most profoundly ignorant and insulting series of posts in the history of TSW. Congratulations. After only 296 posts, you are on a pace to re-write the record book.

What part was ignorant?

The part where he claimed one injury when he actually had 3 and was corrected?

The part where he said he isnt oft injured? When he was corrected that the kid has missed more time from his college career to injury than he has played?

The part where he was corrected about the stronger conference. I mean the PAC 12 screams high level talent.

The likes of Colorado, Wahington state, california, utah, ucla, arizona.

Cmon dont come here and bandwagon mean and act as if i said posted something that was wrong. The kid has had 4 major surgeries. One acl, two meniscus, and a microfracture surgery. About to get a torn labrum fixed and has only playe one true year of college ball with any results. Hea not worth a top ten pick regardless of what attacking posts you send my way.

[mannc]

What part was ignorant?

The part where he claimed one injury when he actually had 3 and was corrected?

The part where he said he isnt oft injured? When he was corrected that the kid has missed more time from his college career to injury than he has played?

The part where he was corrected about the stronger conference. I mean the PAC 12 screams high level talent.

The likes of Colorado, Wahington state, california, utah, ucla, arizona.

Cmon dont come here and bandwagon mean and act as if i said posted something that was wrong. The kid has had 4 major surgeries. One acl, two meniscus, and a microfracture surgery. About to get a torn labrum fixed and has only playe one true year of college ball with any results. Hea not worth a top ten pick regardless of what attacking posts you send my way.

I'm not sure where to start, but let's go with your laughable statement that ACC and Big 12 defenses are superior to PAC 12 defenses, as if it's some sort of unarguable piece of received wisdom. Then there's your attempt to deny that Ross was an extremely productive receiver, but most of all the punk attitude you took with one of the most knowledgeable and respected members of this board. And I didn't even mention your third grade level spelling, punctuation and sentence structure.😃 Edited April 9, 2017 by mannc

[Bill_with_it]

I'm not sure where to start, but let's go with your laughable statement that ACC and Big 12 defenses are superior to PAC 12 defenses, as if it's some sort of unarguable piece of received wisdom. Then there's your attempt to deny that Ross was an extremely productive receiver, but most of all the punk attitude you took with one of the most knowledgeable and respected members of this board. And I didn't even mention your third grade level spelling, punctuation and sentence structure.😃

Hes not very knowledgeable and im not a punk. I showed you how knowledgeable he is he stated Ross was injured once and referred to that surgery as coming up meaning his shoulder surgery. He was clearly wrong. You cant be serious with this thought that the defenses Ross faced were better than the likes of the ACC and Big 12. Just because you respect him doesnt make him right, he didnt even put up the correct stats. Said he only missed one year due to injury. How much further wrong can he get? As usual resort to immature rant calling me a third grader based on my using an iphone on a message board. I guess when all else fails you have to hang your hat on something.

[Augie]

Hes not very knowledgeable and im not a punk. I showed you how knowledgeable he is he stated Ross was injured once and referred to that surgery as coming up meaning his shoulder surgery. He was clearly wrong. You cant be serious with this thought that the defenses Ross faced were better than the likes of the ACC and Big 12. Just because you respect him doesnt make him right, he didnt even put up the correct stats. Said he only missed one year due to injury. How much further wrong can he get? As usual resort to immature rant calling me a third grader based on my using an iphone on a message board. I guess when all else fails you have to hang your hat on something.

He IS knowledgeable. I'm also sure no one is perfect. Some are closer than others.

 

[NewEra]

What?

Ross production: 114 rec 1729 yds

Goodwin: 120 rec 1364 yds

Parrish: 86 rec 1355

Thats about as close as you can get. They were playing against better defenses than the likes of the oft injured Ross.

There is no possible way he is worth a top ten and picking him in the first round alone is questionable with everything considered.

Parrish and Goodwin never had 1 "good" season. Roscoes best season was 43-693-8 while Goodwins best season was 33-421-2. Put goodwins and Parrish's best season together and it's not as good as Ross's.

 

I also think you're overestimating how good big 12 and acc defenses are. I'm not saying that Ross will be Antonio Brown or OBj but if he's healthy, he's going to be a very good WR. Something Parrish and Goodwin will never be able to say. He's better than you think. After reading your posts, he's probably much better than you think he is.

Hes not very knowledgeable and im not a punk. I showed you how knowledgeable he is he stated Ross was injured once and referred to that surgery as coming up meaning his shoulder surgery. He was clearly wrong. You cant be serious with this thought that the defenses Ross faced were better than the likes of the ACC and Big 12. Just because you respect him doesnt make him right, he didnt even put up the correct stats. Said he only missed one year due to injury. How much further wrong can he get? As usual resort to immature rant calling me a third grader based on my using an iphone on a message board. I guess when all else fails you have to hang your hat on something.

He is most definitely VERY knowledgeable. You are most definitely incorrect and clueless in saying that one of the most knowledgeable people on the board is not that. You can be knowledgeable AND make a mistake. You're just nitpicking from one thread and are making an assumption based on that, not the many years of contributions and knowledge he has thrown our way. You on the other hand, have nothing to stand on and not a person who can voucher for your knowledge. I can vouche that that you're not as smart as you think you are

[Bill_with_it]

Parrish and Goodwin never had 1 "good" season. Roscoes best season was 43-693-8 while Goodwins best season was 33-421-2. Put goodwins and Parrish's best season together and it's not as good as Ross's.

 

I also think you're overestimating how good big 12 and acc defenses are. I'm not saying that Ross will be Antonio Brown or OBj but if he's healthy, he's going to be a very good WR. Something Parrish and Goodwin will never be able to say. He's better than you think. After reading your posts, he's probably much better than you think he is.

To each their own. I find the likes of small stature wrs far and few between to become productive number one wrs unless they have a Manning or Brady tossing them a ball. Meaning the ABs and DJs rarely work out. I suppose the kid could become productive in the NFL but the likely hodd of that happening is closer to no than it would be a yes, for that reason alone id say no. Yeah those gusy also had alot less catches each season thats why i olaced the catches next to the yards for reference. He was a more productive than Goodwin and Parrish but those guys were picks 78 and 55 respectively not ten.

But this thread is who would you take at ten. So would you take Ross over Williams and Davis? I cant and I dont know anyone that would. I mean I could be wrong but I highly doubt that barring a setback in Davis surgery that any GM will take Ross before Williams and Davis. Thats my last post on this topic.

[johnwalter]

In order:

In order:

1. Jamal Adams - SS // best football player on this list. all the negative reports are smoke.

2. Jonathan Allen - DL // hasn't checked all the boxes, but has come close, too consistently productive at a high-value position to be any lower on this list.

3. OJ Howard - TE // probably the second-best football player on the list, but positional value knocks him a spot.

4. Marshon Lattimore - CB // mcd's scheme doesnt place value on corners, so he falls to 4, but a ton of talent if you believe in your DBs coach.

5. Malik Hooker - FS // if it wasn't for injury concerns, i'd have him at 2, dude finds the f**king ball.

6. Mike Williams - WR // hard to separate from corey davis. would give him the slight edge because he's a better compliment to watkins, need that contested/redzone production.

7. Corey Davis - WR // this kids tape is f**king insane. so good i dont even worry about the level of competition stuff. injuries the only concern. like the character a lot too.

8. Reuben Foster - ILB // obviously, character is a concern, but has the speed and ability at LB that we need.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

I may be in the minority but I would love OJ Howard. He's a monster blocker and receiver and would add a threat to our offense that we have never really had. Howard would impact the O more than Davis or Williams, especially since we want to be dominant running the ball. I think he could be the safety valve we wished Clay would be and be the 5-6 catch 100yd 1TD receiver that opens the field up for the run game and for Sammy.

[Steve Billieve]

Adams

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

How good was that Buckeye secondary?!? They appear to have completely reloaded it too.

I don't know. Ask Deshaun Watson

[wppete]

Hooker or Adams. Really hope one of them falls to us.

[NewEra]

Hooker or Adams. Really hope one of them falls to us.

we need more than hope for that to happen

[LABILLBACKER]

If Jamal Adams is there you sprint to the podium. If he's gone then Corey Davis is the pick. If you want a trade down and target OJ then you better hope 11-15 want to deal...not a big fan of Foster @ 10...

[GunnerBill]

I am not associating myself with the reasoning of Bill_with_it but I would share his disappointment if the Bills picked Ross at #10. I have a borderline 1st/2nd round grade on him. My concerns are not related to injury, or size (though strength does play in as I will explain), or even the relative level of Pac 12 competition.

 

My concerns are based on his tape. I think he struggles to get off against defensive backs who are physical with him at the line, I don't see separation based on anything other than his speed (and savvier NFL defences will find ways to take some of that away) and I don't see enough of him really competing for balls in traffic and making contest catches. Someone like Antonio Brown, who has been mentioned here as a size comparison, has always been willing to put his body in potential harms way to make a contested catch on a slant where a covering defender has committed to making a play on the ball. They are the catches that offer real YAC possibilities because if the receiver comes up with the ball then the over committed defender is out of position and the defense is on its heals trying to adjust.

 

What I like about him, other than the obvious explosive speed is that he is a really good ball tracker (that is where the Goodwin comparisons hold no water for me), he understands the receiver position and wastes no steps in his footwork, can play inside or outside and has really good hands (again... nothing like Goodwin).

 

If the Bills did find a trade back partner and wanted to take Ross in the late teens or early 20s I could get on board with that. If they want to pick him at #10 with either Davis or Williams on the board I think that is a mistake.

[WideRightRevenge]

Adams ---- a leader for the secondary for years to come . .but won't be there

Thomas --- all you have to do is watch Rose Bowl highlights and given Dareus' recent history and Kyle's age .. need DL help .. but he won't be there either I believe.

OJ Howard ---- although 1st round TE's virtually never pan out (see Ebron for recent history) ... too much not to roll the bones ....

 

Regardless .. as Joe B has stated in prior articles ... please draft Zay Jones WR East Carolina (yes we hired there WR coach .. hint hint) .. .in round 2 ... my daughter goes there and caught a lot of their games .. he will help Watkins.

 

No QB till 3rd round or later (apparently 3rd round or 4th round) is where you draft NFL caliber starting QB's ... see Russell Wilson (3rd) and Dak Prescott & Kirk Cousins (round 4).