NewEra Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 It's been said that the Bills liked Dak Prescott, but they thought the third round was too rich. That was dumb. The same thing happened when they wanted Russell Wilson, but thought he'd be there in the fourth round and they drafted TJ Graham instead. That was dumb. Why are fans so "whatever" about this stuff? The Bills are making a habit of missing out on franchise QBs when they have been in dire need of one for forever now. The Bills FO needs to just take the QB they want even if that means taking a guy that's rated a 2nd rounder at #10. I have no problem what-so-ever at all with them doing that. We're so whatever about this stuff because we have zero control and zero say in the matter. There's nothing we can do to influence the pick. All you're doing is raising your blood pressure by getting so upset if we don't select a qb. Sure, I'd love to pick one and have him be our starter for 12 years, but I also realize that there's a good chance that he sucks and we've accomplished nothing. This is a draft in which there are serious impact playect players that will be on the board when we pick. If we take maholmes at 10 and he sucks while we pass on Ruben Foster and turns out to be the next Ray Lewis, then we've failed. There's 2 sides to the coin. It's all a guess how it works out at this point. The Bills FO/scouts can make that decision. That's why they get paid for it, while we just sit on our couch and talk about it. This is a scheme that got solid production out of Tony Scheffler, Owen Daniels and Joel Dreessen in the past. Spending #10 on a backup tight end would be bonkers. Point being, he may not really be a backup. They could run double TE the majority of the time. It improves our running game and we'd have a stud pass catcher as well. He creates more mismatches than a WR would. He makes our offense less predictable and tougher to game plan for imo. Also, clay hasn't been the most durable player over his career and next year may be his last with the Bills due to his contract. If the FO thinks he's the best player on the board when we pick, I can get behind the selection, just as I can get behind the selection of many other players (Foster, Adams, hooker, Davis, Williams, Allen, Lattimore, Humphrey, jones (a bit scared about him now) or the QB they like the most).
jeffismagic Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Drafting a tight end with a top ten pick with a QB just brought back who can't throw to the tight end currently on the team and ignoring the QB position again would be the Billsy thing to do.
Blokestradamus Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Point being, he may not really be a backup. They could run double TE the majority of the time. It improves our running game and we'd have a stud pass catcher as well. He creates more mismatches than a WR would. He makes our offense less predictable and tougher to game plan for imo. Also, clay hasn't been the most durable player over his career and next year may be his last with the Bills due to his contract. If the FO thinks he's the best player on the board when we pick, I can get behind the selection, just as I can get behind the selection of many other players (Foster, Adams, hooker, Davis, Williams, Allen, Lattimore, Humphrey, jones (a bit scared about him now) or the QB they like the most). I know that Shanahan/Kubiak have run a lot of 2-TE sets and I know that it's a position of some need. However, it's about impact with a pick that high and I just don't see how he's an impact player. Clay is going to be the #1 guy because the FO can't afford him not to be. That contract makes him the true starter by proxy. So that makes Howard the #2 TE. It might well be a 'starting' role in the offense but it's not going to be a feature role. It never has been in any offense Dennison has led. The second TE has seen an average of 51.9 targets per season with Dennison as OC. That comes out as 3.24 chances per game to do something. Consider Tyrod as a 60-63% completion rate type of QB and that might end up being about 30-35 catches per season. I'm not signing off on that with the 10th pick.
NewEra Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 I know that Shanahan/Kubiak have run a lot of 2-TE sets and I know that it's a position of some need. However, it's about impact with a pick that high and I just don't see how he's an impact player. Clay is going to be the #1 guy because the FO can't afford him not to be. That contract makes him the true starter by proxy. So that makes Howard the #2 TE. It might well be a 'starting' role in the offense but it's not going to be a feature role. It never has been in any offense Dennison has led. The second TE has seen an average of 51.9 targets per season with Dennison as OC. That comes out as 3.24 chances per game to do something. Consider Tyrod as a 60-63% completion rate type of QB and that might end up being about 30-35 catches per season. I'm not signing off on that with the 10th pick. I get what you're saying but I don't necessarily agree that because clay is making all that money that he's the default starter and go to TE. If Howard is as good as many say and if we use our 1st rd pick on him, then they'd use him more than they would the 2nd TE on other Denison coached teams. While I'm not saying he's the guy I want, I'd be behind it because I believe they'd put him to use or they wouldn't select him. We defitnely have bigger needs, but if he's the BPA on their board; I wouldn't cry about it. I don't think we'll be contending in 2017 and would just like to add the foundation for the future. If the FO thinks he's the BOA and will be a transcendent player, I'll go along for the ride and just hope that they use him to his potential
Chicken Boo Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 I would never select a tight end inside the top 10. Never!
Mark Vader Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 are you announcing a pick this year?? If so, I think you might announce your boy "Jake Butt" whether or not his name is the one on the card. You can play dumb like Warren Beatty! If I get a chance to do that again, should I yell out "Two Bills Drive!", in stead of "Go Bills!"?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 I would never select a tight end inside the top 10. Never! ....Ebron was picked at #10 and it is taking him some time to round into form even with Stafford throwing him the ball as well as having Calvin on the same field......ton of resources already tied up in TE spot to now use #10 IMO.........
Beef Jerky Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Bills don't have any luck what so ever with TE.
1billsfan Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Drafting a tight end with a top ten pick with a QB just brought back who can't throw to the tight end currently on the team and ignoring the QB position again would be the Billsy thing to do. We don't know what the Bills will do, just be glad that this board isn't in charge of the pick. I take some comfort in the HC saying that Taylor was their starting QB "FOR NOW", and when he was first hired, he and Whaley said there was going to be a short term and LONG TERM plan at the QB position. I just wonder why fans are feeling so good at the QB position that they're fine going elsewhere at #10. The lack of urgency here is crazy, since Taylor is a know fail for their franchise QB solution. The Pats are keeping Garappolo, they have already found their next franchise QB! LOL
jeffismagic Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 We don't know what the Bills will do, just be glad that this board isn't in charge of the pick. I take some comfort in the HC saying that Taylor was their starting QB "FOR NOW", and when he was first hired, he and Whaley said there was going to be a short term and LONG TERM plan at the QB position. I just wonder why fans are feeling so good at the QB position that they're fine going elsewhere at #10. The lack of urgency here is crazy, since Taylor is a know fail for their franchise QB solution. The Pats are keeping Garappolo, they have already found their next franchise QB! LOL My fear is that McDermott is now as empowered as Rex was. I want a real GM, not a guy that give tips to the marketing and coaching staff on players. If McDermott gets to decide on his QB will he want to draft one with a top ten pick? History says no. Most of these coaches think short term. They could care less about drafting a guy that could turn around a franchise if that guy hits his peak after they are gone. I don't want my coach driving the train on personnel. Think of Marv Levy as GM. Filling needs for positions that year like Donte Whitner and John Mccargo.
BarleyNY Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 We need help at TE. OJ Howard could certainly be that help, but in this deep of a draft at TE I'm not sure I go that route at 10.
Figster Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 OJ Howard would have an immediate impact on the football team IMO.
NewEra Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 We don't know what the Bills will do, just be glad that this board isn't in charge of the pick. I take some comfort in the HC saying that Taylor was their starting QB "FOR NOW", and when he was first hired, he and Whaley said there was going to be a short term and LONG TERM plan at the QB position. I just wonder why fans are feeling so good at the QB position that they're fine going elsewhere at #10. The lack of urgency here is crazy, since Taylor is a know fail for their franchise QB solution. The Pats are keeping Garappolo, they have already found their next franchise QB! LOL Because the people hear don't make the decisions hence there will never be any "urgency". All we do is watch it play out. We have no idea what the Bills FO is thinking about the draft. What we do know is that many expects aren't giving any of these QBs a first rd grade. If we don't select one at 10 we then will know that our FO doesn't think they're worth it. Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you should select a QB you don't think is worth the pick. We may draft one after the first rd. We may draft one next year. We may sign a FA next year. We may trade for one. Our 1st rd pick isn't the only way to get a QB, hence the thought of your perceived "lack of urgency". Which QBs do you feel are worth the 10th pick? After my research and watching film, I'm not sure any of them are and I feel one or more of the QB candidates at 10 could be there in rd 2.
BillsVet Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Bills don't have any luck what so ever with TE. Who's the last one they selected in the first three rounds? The Bills haven't drafted one to be bad in so long as opposed to the rest of the league. (BTW It was Kevin Everett in 2005)
1billsfan Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Because the people hear don't make the decisions hence there will never be any "urgency". All we do is watch it play out. We have no idea what the Bills FO is thinking about the draft. What we do know is that many expects aren't giving any of these QBs a first rd grade. If we don't select one at 10 we then will know that our FO doesn't think they're worth it. Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you should select a QB you don't think is worth the pick. We may draft one after the first rd. We may draft one next year. We may sign a FA next year. We may trade for one. Our 1st rd pick isn't the only way to get a QB, hence the thought of your perceived "lack of urgency". Which QBs do you feel are worth the 10th pick? After my research and watching film, I'm not sure any of them are and I feel one or more of the QB candidates at 10 could be there in rd 2. Mahomes is worth the #10 pick, check this out... http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2017/2/10/14575816/patrick-mahomes-would-be-a-great-pick-at-7-for-the-chargers "He avoids the pressure, somehow stays on his feet, keeps his eyes downfield and casually launches it for 30 yards. I can think of a few NFL QBs who that reminds me of, and they're all future HoFs." These are the skills that separate the average and the great QBs.
jeffismagic Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Mahomes is worth the #10 pick, check this out... http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2017/2/10/14575816/patrick-mahomes-would-be-a-great-pick-at-7-for-the-chargers "He avoids the pressure, somehow stays on his feet, keeps his eyes downfield and casually launches it for 30 yards. I can think of a few NFL QBs who that reminds me of, and they're all future HoFs." These are the skills that separate the average and the great QBs. Great piece from that Chargers article In the excellent book 'Take Your Eye Off The Ball' by Pat Kirwan, he makes the point that, as much as a quarterback wants to step into his throw, most of the time that isn't possible. Instead, the QB will have to make do with the situation given to them - a compromised pocket - and have to throw it from all sorts of positions and angles. Dan Marino says that "if I worked out a QB for an NFL team, he'd have to show me 100 throws off his back foot."
Dr. Who Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 I keep hearing very different things about Mahomes. I like him enough I'd be happy if we take a shot.
blacklabel Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 I'm good with Howard at 10, although I think they could move back a little bit and still land him. Them signing Hyde and Poyer makes me think they'll go secondary in the second or third round as it's a very deep class for that position group and McDermott seems to have a knack for getting a lot out of secondary players who may not be the most talented. Howard is a mismatch for any team and it'd be nice to see the Bills have their own "Grownkowski" type of player, finally. I like Clay but I honestly think this could be his last season here if they do add/upgrade to the TE spot. He counts for $9 million on the cap this year and next. Plus, his knees only have so much longer. He rarely practiced during the season last year but was able to go on gamedays which is gritty and gutty but them adding Logan Thomas (who they're apparently really big on) and being linked to Jared Cook this week in FA makes it clear they either want to add alongside Clay or be prepared for his departure down the line. I can see Whaley offering one of those fifth round picks in a deal to move back for a team's second or something. They only have six picks and still have a fair amount of holes to fill. I'm usually a wait and see type of person regarding their draft strategy but this year I'm kind of on the train with "please trade down and get a few more picks."
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Drafting a tight end with a top ten pick with a QB just brought back who can't throw to the tight end currently on the team and ignoring the QB position again would be the Billsy thing to do. drafting a qb in the top 10 that is not worth a top 10 pick might also be the billsy thing to do
jeffismagic Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 drafting a qb in the top 10 that is not worth a top 10 pick might also be the billsy thing to do I get it. You don't want anyone challenging Tyrod. Well, the Buffalo Bills were ready to walk away and had no plan to pick up the option. You might be happy using other team's QB scraps but many Bills fans want excellence at the position.
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