billieve420 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Isn't Jim Monos on the pro personnel side? How much is this really Whaley. However, regarding this past draft I highly suspect Rex had major influence in the draft room resulting in picking Lawson and Ragland. So I believe the owners gave a pass to Whaley and reason he has managed to hang around this long. With the Bills it is hard to know who is in charge of what. It is difficult to assign blame when you have a GM who appears to just be a glorified scout. Edited March 10, 2017 by billieve420
FireChan Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) I think Whaley has been one of the better Bills GMs. He's made many good moves. But people needs scapegoats. The Bills would have made the playoffs last year if the D wasn't mishandled by Rex and Co. Kyle Orton has been one of the better Bills QB's as well. He made many good plays. Edited March 10, 2017 by FireChan
PromoTheRobot Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 This. and the cap problems. What cap problem?
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 I do hope Whaley's feelings aren't too damaged
BillsFanInJax Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Chris Brown is a Tool. Whaley's drafts are a mess.
hondo in seattle Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) My take is you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say Rex sucks and Whaley sucks. It's one or the other. The Bills have been a middle-of-the-pack franchise the last couple years. Either Rex was a good coach with a bad roster. Or Rex was a bad coach with a good roster. That's how you get to .500. If Rex was a bad coach as most assert, well, we still won nearly half our games which means he must have had a good roster. So, thank you, Doug Whaley. Edited March 10, 2017 by hondo in seattle
Iron Maiden Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Kyle Orton has been one of the better Bills QB's as well. He made many good plays. I happen to be a Whaley fan, but this post is gold !
LABILLBACKER Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Fair or not he is not going to get a lot of credit till the team actually starts winning
muppy Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Bottom line: Wether right or wrong, fair or unfair, will Whaley be ultimately judged the hero or the goat based on wether he brought a franchise QB to Buffalo? He struck out with EJ Manuel and a lot of Bills fans call for his firing, . But on the other side of the equation you look at some guys he DID bring here and you have to think dang Great job! (Lorenzo and Zach Brown amongst others) So.....IMO he shouldn't be able to rest on his "from the Pittsburgh Steelers" laurels and I think HE knows he has 1 year or 2 TOPS before he too feels the axe if the Bills don't get to a playoff game MINIMUM
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 According to Chris Brown on the John Murphy Show yesterday, Bills GM Doug Whaley has exceeded expectations "in spades" with regard to personnel. He especially cited the Justin Hunter pickup last season as strong evidence of this. Lorenzo Alexander and Zach Brown also mentioned. What say you, Bills fan? Do we need to give more credit to Whaley for what he's accomplished during his career with the Bills? Is this roster stacked with talent and we just haven't received good enough coaching to get the appropriate production? Does the sad fact that this franchise only has two players on the current roster drafted by the Bills between 2010 and 2013 not apply to Whaley? That says it all
TSOL Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Kyle Orton has been one of the better Bills QB's as well. He made many good plays. You always did have some unholy man love for Orton. Tyrod is at least as good as Orton. Maybe not quite as good a passer, stat wise, but Tyrod is a much more dynamic player. Tyrod with that 2014 defense would have had us in the playoffs.
LABILLBACKER Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 As well it should be. DW has done some good things (including the Tyrod restructure) and some bad things like failures to find a franchise qb. The team has failed to reach the playoffs during his watch. And we've seen recently that Terry believes in Sean. Let's not kid ourselves, Whaley needs a dynamic year to solidify his position with the Bills.
May Day 10 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 THIS JUST IN........ THE BILLS ARE... AWESOME! -John Murphy and Chris brown special report
BmarvB Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Whaley has always been good at pro personnel evaluation. His drafting and QB evaluations are a different story. Drafting looks good on the injury reports. You always did have some unholy man love for Orton. Tyrod is at least as good as Orton. Maybe not quite as good a passer, stat wise, but Tyrod is a much more dynamic player. Tyrod with that 2014 defense would have had us in the playoffs. TT + The running game + that 2014 defense = YES, we'd have been 11-5 and in the playoffs
Billy Zabka Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 I think Whaley has been one of the better Bills GMs. He's made many good moves. But people needs scapegoats. The Bills would have made the playoffs last year if the D wasn't mishandled by Rex and Co. What cap problem? Don't know what planet you live on. but the Bills cap situation the last couple years hasn't been the greatest for a team with no big expenditure at QB and no playoff success. Also love how you fault people for needing scapegoats and then blame Rex for all the team's problems in the very next sentence.
FireChan Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) You always did have some unholy man love for Orton. Tyrod is at least as good as Orton. Maybe not quite as good a passer, stat wise, but Tyrod is a much more dynamic player. Tyrod with that 2014 defense would have had us in the playoffs. The point of the post was that being "one of the better Bills X" doesn't mean all that much. Orton playing all 16 games in 2014 makes the playoffs, IMO. Edited March 10, 2017 by FireChan
Mr. WEO Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 According to Chris Brown on the John Murphy Show yesterday, Bills GM Doug Whaley has exceeded expectations "in spades" with regard to personnel. Uh oh.........
Seasons1992 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 So he punches Rihanna but defends Whaley? Should be the other way around. I'm a Whaley guy, but you get a standing O for that.
Thurman#1 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) According to Chris Brown on the John Murphy Show yesterday, Bills GM Doug Whaley has exceeded expectations "in spades" with regard to personnel. He especially cited the Justin Hunter pickup last season as strong evidence of this. Lorenzo Alexander and Zach Brown also mentioned. What say you, Bills fan? Do we need to give more credit to Whaley for what he's accomplished during his career with the Bills? Is this roster stacked with talent and we just haven't received good enough coaching to get the appropriate production? Exceeded expectations? Good grief. Poor cap management. Above average trades and FAs but not tremendously far above average. Below average drafting. Poor coach selection. He's lucky to have retained his job this year. Does the sad fact that this franchise only has two players on the current roster drafted by the Bills between 2010 and 2013 not apply to Whaley? May 13, 2013. That's the day he became GM, so of course he can't be held responsible for GM moves before that. But did the constant scheme switches on both sides of the ball ramp up the speed of turnover? Almost certainly. According to Chris Brown on the John Murphy Show yesterday, Bills GM Doug Whaley has exceeded expectations "in spades" with regard to personnel. He especially cited the Justin Hunter pickup last season as strong evidence of this. Lorenzo Alexander and Zach Brown also mentioned. What say you, Bills fan? Do we need to give more credit to Whaley for what he's accomplished during his career with the Bills? Is this roster stacked with talent and we just haven't received good enough coaching to get the appropriate production? Does the sad fact that this franchise only has two players on the current roster drafted by the Bills between 2010 and 2013 not apply to Whaley? Edited March 10, 2017 by Thurman#1
TSOL Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 The point of the post was that being "one of the better Bills X" doesn't mean all that much. Orton playing all 16 games in 2014 makes the playoffs, IMO. I suppose thats possible. That would mean we would have at least beat Houston or San diego, or both for a 3-1 or a 4-0 start. EJ was pretty bad in both those games. I cant say Orton would have won that Houston game though. As bad as EJ was, JJ Watt was an uncaged beast in that game. And Orton wasnt the most mobile, or courageous QB ive ever seen.
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