FireChan Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 How do you figure? They got by with Jordan Mills at RT thanks to Tyrod last season. TT was the most sacked QB in the NFL and only played 15 games.
CommonCents Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Oooo yeah this Carolina Fan knows but another fan doesnt. Nice. Got it you dont like what i say. Cool and i could also be wrong. But i also onow what i have watched and i know the way i have seen something. And i stand by my watching and looking at a player. Try it sometime instead of just taking other peoples word for it. It is kinda fun in life to be out there on your own Bobby you can just admit your wrong and it was a misleading thing to post. How can your eyes see something and make a determination on something that he isn't even playing!? He played zone less than 6 snaps per game, one target, he wasn't even FSU's best corner. So if you were there "scouting" what exactly did you see!? The whole thing seems disingenuous at best. Plenty of low hanging fruit for anyone looking to be critical of the Bills, let's just keep to truths. Edited March 10, 2017 by Commonsense
BrooklynBills Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Pure Talent wise, Aaron Williams is better than Hyde IMO. But Williams hasn't been the same player since the neck injury and he really hasn't shined since 2013 under Pettine. I thought he was less effective under Schwartz which is a similar D to what we will play going forward. Gilmore, on his worst day, is still a top 20 DB in the NFL. I don't think he is a top 5 CB in the NFL, but the Bills could have locked him up a long time ago for less. The debate shouldn't be about should we pay him $14/yr, but about why did they try to slow play his contract as it's cost was rising the closer he got to FA.
papazoid Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 I don't think many GM's or coaches in the NFL would trade Stephon Gilmore and Aaron Williams for Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer. talk money Gilmore ($14 mil) , Arron Williams ($6 mil), Robey ($2 mil) = $22 mil & likely cut corey graham ($5) = $27 mil total Hyde ($6 mil) and Poyer ($4 mil ??) = $10 mil you still have as much as $12 - 17 mil to spend......
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 How do you figure? They got by with Jordan Mills at RT thanks to Tyrod last season. Because Of the lack of throwing we will do. Everyone can talk balanced etc but none of their UFA actions show that. Thought last year was run heavy. So really the RT is more of a concern from me to make sure Shady has a year. Thats why i look at it that way. Oooo and really the OTs are not good in the draft so i would like to get that OT from UFA
DC Grid Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Hyde is a HUGE upgrade over who the Bills had at safety, because Aaron Williams can't play football any more. It stinks, but he's done. So the Bills have clearly lost talent at the CB position but actually gained talent at S.
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Bobby you can just admit your wrong and it was a misleading thing to post. How can your eyes see something and make a determination on something that he isn't even playing!? He played zone less than 6 snaps per game, one target, he wasn't even FSU's best corner. So if you were there "scouting" what exactly did you see!? The whole thing seems disingenuous at best. Plenty of low hanging fruit for anyone looking to be critical of the Bills, let's just keep to truths. Again he played zoneless than 6 snaps ans i TGT because a fan no different than me said so?
KRT88 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 At Carolina the goal was to always build from the front seven. If you put pressure on the QB you DB's don't have to be as strong.
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 talk money Gilmore ($14 mil) , Arron Williams ($6 mil), Robey ($2 mil) = $22 mil & likely cut corey graham ($5) = $27 mil total Hyde ($6 mil) and Poyer ($4 mil ??) = $10 mil you still have as much as $12 - 17 mil to spend...... Yep cheaper but also lesser talent
HappyDays Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 It is the 2nd day of free agency. And the draft is coming up soon. Maybe hold off on the complaints.
FireChan Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 talk money Gilmore ($14 mil) , Arron Williams ($6 mil), Robey ($2 mil) = $22 mil & likely cut corey graham ($5) = $27 mil total Hyde ($6 mil) and Poyer ($4 mil ??) = $10 mil you still have as much as $12 - 17 mil to spend...... That's not how it works. AW saved us $1.7M, not $6. Gilmore didn't save us $14M, that's not an addition.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Yep cheaper but also lesser talent Isn't that the philosophy many advocated for at QB?
thurst44 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Like to see them add another quality corner in FA giving them more flexibility in the draft. I won't be a fan of a corner with their 10th overall pick. QB, WR or Pass rusher.... or a trade down. Not even if it's Lattimore, a guy who's been ranked in the top three overall in multiple draft boards? One thing I'll never get (and i'm not accusing you of this), is that people will proclaim loudly how it's a passing league, then will draw the conclusion that it means teams need a superior passing quarterback to keep up. Not that it's not vital to have a solid QB, but that seems like clearly flawed logic to me; if it's a passing league, you need good CORNERBACKS to counter the stout passing attacks. How your team gets your points is irrelevant as long as you get them. In fact, if the league is skewed towards passing attacks and defenses are adjusting thusly, it would seem a different sort of offensive philosophy would be more likely to catch your opponents off guard. I'm all for picking Lattimore/Adams/Hooker if they fall to us. I tend towards rose-colored glasses, yes, and don't think we should have re-signed Gilmore at that rate nor that considering how often he played we lose much going from AW to Hyde (other than a great team player i'm sad to not still have on the team), but do still feel as it stands our secondary is beyond inadequate. However, it is still the first 24 hours of free agency. Edited March 10, 2017 by thurst44
Royale with Cheese Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Again he played zoneless than 6 snaps ans i TGT because a fan no different than me said so? The scouting report written by a scout says he constricts windows in zone coverage. That's a positive. But yet from your couch watching a broadcast view from your TV....you say he's laughable. Who should I believe has better knowledge?
HappyDays Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 AW is a better player than Hyde Just the neck is a major concern obviously Williams is a better safety than Hyde. But as far as versatility and durability, Hyde has more value as a player. I'll take slightly reduced safety play for a full season of play. JMO
Bray Wyatt Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Again he played zoneless than 6 snaps ans i TGT because a fan no different than me said so? To be fair that guy was talking about the exact games he watched, made a chart, used stats and numbers, all you have given is I went to a game and he struggled. I think the former guy has more credibility at this time, so yes If you want to give more details then maybe the people who disagree with you will change their minds Edited March 10, 2017 by Bray Wyatt
CommonCents Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Again he played zoneless than 6 snaps ans i TGT because a fan no different than me said so? LOW HANGING FRUIT BOBBY! Stay down there for awhile get and your credibility up.
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Isn't that the philosophy many advocated for at QB? I know I did. But their plan doesnt seem to be rebuild like those that advocated
BuffaloBud420 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Which is exactly why I consider it an upgrade. If he's not on the field, he's not producing. Depends if Aaron still plays somewhere else and stays healthy
quinnearlysghost88 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 I don't think many GM's or coaches in the NFL would trade Stephon Gilmore and Aaron Williams for Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer. Yes, but you make it seem like the Williams situation is within our control. He's injured, this is unfortunate. What are our other options?
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