BADOLBILZ Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Hey, I hope so! What about offering Seattle our third for Sherman?
H2o Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Sammy will eat Gilmore alive. Can't wait Indeed. Sammy eats any CB alive when he's healthy. Let's just hope that is the case this year
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Kind of hard for me to stomach when we are on a fullback signing spree. Is Whaley following the advice of a five year old playing Madden franchise mode?
Jasovon Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Bellichick will turn him into a top 5 corner or they will trade him for a 1st rounder in the next couple of seasons. It's so easy to get free agents in when you can guarantee a shot at a ring to guys.
dave mcbride Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 I think it was a mistake not franchising Gilmore and getting another dangled carrot season out of him. But giving him a long term deal at $14M+ is a bad decision by the Patriots. He IS a coward for contact......yeah he can hit a prone receiver once in a while but he is a terrible tackler and has had multiple shoulder and concussion issues because of that fact.....despite being generally unwilling physically. My guess is that he will finish more seasons than not on IR or inactive the rest of his career......which he was prone to in Buffalo too. Maybe the Patriots are right but I'm generally a talent horder and I will not miss him at $14M+. I actually like the idea of being more physical and using TE's more against a team like the Pats if Gilmore is playing......he is terrified of tackling TE's......unlike the typically feisty NE corners. Badol, the Pats HAVE to spend stupid money somewhere to meet the cap floor. They went into FA some $60-odd million under the cap, and they're even further under the cap in 2018 and 2019. As someone said above, First World problems.
LABILLBACKER Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Very unlike Pats* to pay top market rate for FAs
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Indeed. Sammy eats any CB alive when he's healthy. Let's just hope that is the case this year And when they actually throw him the ball. Remember the legendary KC game? More often than not this team and QB forget he's on the field (when he actually is).
LABILLBACKER Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Not to mention a very mediocre fa. I guess Bill is getting dumb in his old age.
Yav Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 He couldn't cover Hogan, what makes NE think he's gonna be able to cover a real NFL WR? First time he sallies up on a tackle will be the last time he sees the field in NE.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 He couldn't cover Hogan, what makes NE think he's gonna be able to cover a real NFL WR? First time he sallies up on a tackle will be the last time he sees the field in NE. BB already knows that he doesn't tackle. The Pats plan on getting big leads, and shutting down teams who are forced to pass. For what it's worth, even teams with late leads against the Pats don't apparently run the ball either.
dave mcbride Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) For those wondering why the Pats are spending money on Gilmore: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/08/patriots-in-great-salary-cap-shape-heading-into-2017/. They went in $63 million under the cap. As I said above, the floor is an issue. Teams have to average spending 89 percent of the cap over a four-year period, and going into the current 2017 FA period, the Pats' salary-total situation for 2018 and 2019 was ridiculously low too. He couldn't cover Hogan, what makes NE think he's gonna be able to cover a real NFL WR? First time he sallies up on a tackle will be the last time he sees the field in NE. Blame Jonathan Meeks on that play. He blew the coverage assignment. Edited March 9, 2017 by dave mcbride
BADOLBILZ Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) Badol, the Pats HAVE to spend stupid money somewhere to meet the cap floor. They went into FA some $60-odd million under the cap, and they're even further under the cap in 2018 and 2019. As someone said above, First World problems. Yes I was going to mention that they've EARNED the right to take chances like this by being shrewd and stacking all that cheez. Personally, Gilmore aggravated the hell out of me with his tendency to let up on plays he had BLANKETED and give up stunning big gains or TD's during his career........he had a stretch from regular season thru preseason once where 3 or 4 consecutive TD's that he gave up were to rookies.....which was just a lack of competitiveness/focus. And his tackling.......you almost HAD to root for him to not make a tackle because his body can't take it. The image of him frozen in fear as Jimmy Graham hurdles him I will never forget........it was like......"ok, this is going to be a car accident I should just go limp". Excellent cover guy when engaged and maybe Belichick can push his buttons but a long term deal by the Bills to him had regret written all over it. Should have franchised though! They have the money and I hate leaving a rookie HC understocked. Could have groomed his replacement from this draft and let him walk next year. Edited March 9, 2017 by #BADOL
dave mcbride Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Yes I was going to mention that they've EARNED the right to take chances like this by being shrewd and stacking all that cheez. Personally, Gilmore aggravated the hell out of me with his tendency to let up on plays he had BLANKETED and give up stunning big gains or TD's during his career........he had a stretch from regular season thru preseason once where 3 or 4 consecutive TD's that he gave up were to rookies.....which was just a lack of competitiveness/focus. And his tackling.......you almost HAD to root for him to not make a tackle because his body can't take it. The image of him frozen in fear as Jimmy Graham hurdles him I will never forget........it was like......"ok, this is going to be a car accident I should just go limp". Excellent cover guy when engaged and maybe Belichick can push his buttons but a long term deal by the Bills to him had regret written all over it. Should have franchised though! They have the money and I hate leaving a rookie HC understocked. Could have groomed his replacement from this draft and let him walk next year. I agree about franchising. I think his cover skills more than make up for the tackling issue, just like I don't put a ton of stock in WR blocking skills (although I'd rather the WR be a good blocker than not, of course).
Bill_with_it Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 The Patriots NEVER SPEND BIG however, and they just did it on Gilmore. For everyone who has been complaining about Gilmore for the last however many years needs to just take a seat for 5 min.It's like clock work. And it's also wrong. The New England Patriots just signed kicker Stephen Gostkowski to a record setting 4-year, $17.2 million contract. This is the biggest contract ever given to a kicker in NFL history. No big deal. The Patriots actually have a history of setting the market with record setting contracts. Here's the full list (h/t to PatsCap's Miguel for filling in some of the blanks): 2000: Roughly two weeks after hiring Bill Belichick, the Patriots sign safety Lawyer Milloy to a 7-year, $36 million contract that was the largest in the NFL for a safety. 2003: The Patriots signed former Bears linebacker Rosevelt Colvin to a most 7-year, $30 million contract in March of 2003. That was the third largest for a linebacker to the Ravens' Ray Lewis' 7-year, $50 million deal signed in August 2002, and the Falcons' Keith Brooking's 7-year, $41 million contract signed in February 2003. Soon after Colvin signed, linebackers Takeo Spikes, Zach Thomas, and Brian Urlacher all signed contracts for more money, but Colvin's was at the top of the market. 2007: Former Baltimore Ravens linebacker Adalius Thomas signs a 5-year, $35 million contract with the Patriots, snagging the largest cap hit in the league, and earning the title of "highest priced free agent in Patriots franchise history." 2008: New England Patriots wide receiver Randy Moss signs a 3-year, $27 million contract. The $9 million average per year (APY) is fourth most in the league, behind just the Texans' Andre Johnson's $11.7 million APY, the Cardinals' Larry Fitzgerald's $10 million APY (this was a rookie contract), and the Colts' Marvin Harrison's $9.6 million APY. 2010 March: Defensive tackle Vince Wilfork signs a 5-year, $40 million contract, making him the highest paid nose tackle in the NFL. 2010 September: Quarterback Tom Brady signs a 4-year, $72 million contract, making him the highest paid player in the NFL. 2011 August: Offensive guard Logan Mankins signs a 6-year, $51 million contract, making him the highest paid guard in the NFL. 2011 December: The Patriots sign linebacker Jerod Mayo to a 5-year, $48.5 million contract extension, behind just 49ers linebacker Patrick Willis' 5-year, $50 million contract for the highest paid in the league. 2012: Tight end Rob Gronkowski signs a 6-year, $53 million contract, making him the highest paid tight end in NFL history. 2014: Patriots sign cornerback Darrelle Revis to a 2-year, $32 million contract, the $16 million APY the richest value for a cornerback in the league. 2015 March: Safety Devin McCourty signs a 5-year, $47.5 million contract with a safety-record $28.5 million guaranteed. His $9.5 million APY is the second most for a safety, behind just the Seahawks' Earl Thomas. 2015 July: The Patriots make Stephen Gostkowski the highest paid kicker in NFL history with a 4-year, $17.2 million contract.
Bill from NYC Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Yes I was going to mention that they've EARNED the right to take chances like this by being shrewd and stacking all that cheez. Personally, Gilmore aggravated the hell out of me with his tendency to let up on plays he had BLANKETED and give up stunning big gains or TD's during his career........he had a stretch from regular season thru preseason once where 3 or 4 consecutive TD's that he gave up were to rookies.....which was just a lack of competitiveness/focus. And his tackling.......you almost HAD to root for him to not make a tackle because his body can't take it. The image of him frozen in fear as Jimmy Graham hurdles him I will never forget........it was like......"ok, this is going to be a car accident I should just go limp". Excellent cover guy when engaged and maybe Belichick can push his buttons but a long term deal by the Bills to him had regret written all over it. Should have franchised though! They have the money and I hate leaving a rookie HC understocked. Could have groomed his replacement from this draft and let him walk next year. I don't have the stats to prove it but he would frustrate me by giving up key first downs. I know that it wasn't all his fault but I really think we could have won more football games if he would have put forth more effort. The skillset was there.
BuffaloRebound Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 I believe this when it actually happens. Can't see New England giving big money to Gilmore. Wouldn't surprise me if like yesterday with Tyrod, suddenly Malcolm butler or Logan Ryan agree to an extension.
BADOLBILZ Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 I agree about franchising. I think his cover skills more than make up for the tackling issue, just like I don't put a ton of stock in WR blocking skills (although I'd rather the WR be a good blocker than not, of course). It's not about the tackling........it's about not being able to do it without getting hurt........he hasn't played an entire season since his rookie year.... and regularly finishes the year in street clothes..........that isn't likely to get better with age or work out well in a Patriots environment where you are expected to be just as physical as everybody else. Doing your job mantra works when everyone does the basics........not sure about "Gilmore rules" working in NE.
Stud37 Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 There's a reason smart teams don't let a player like Gilmore reach FA. He's going to be feeding a lot of people here crow at our expense. didn't the Pats let go of Aquib Talib, and Asante Samuel in the past? Good and bad teams both keep decent players, and let them go. In fact, the Pats might be the worst example to pick of a team that retains its star players. Jamie Collins, Chandler Jones, Vince Wilfork, Martellus Bennett, Lawyer Milloy, Wes Welker, are just a couple of difference makers for the Pats that they separated from. You can't keep everybody... No one ever does. and the Pats haven't been flawless in their FA acquisitions either. The main factor in their storied success is BB and the GOAT.
Yav Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Gilmore is getting $14+ million per year? "ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the deal will go through "barring any final snags" while NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the deal will "eclipse $14 million per year." It is a shocking move. Gilmore was arguably the best cornerback available, but he is coming off a down year and the Patriots usually do not shop near the top of the market. With Gilmore signing in New England, free agent CB Logan Ryan will certainly be looking for a new home. The future of free agent LB Dont'a Hightower is also in doubt." source: rotoworld - http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football-player-news
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