1billsfan Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) What about whaley says Watson is the pick? If anything Kizer would be more of the mold whaley looks for. I highly doubt at this point whaley really even makes that call. If whaley was running the show, better believe Tyrod isn't brought back. Granted the restructure absolutely lends it self to taking a QB, McDermott wanted Tyrod back for a chance to win now. Therefore, I can't see using a top ten pick on a player who may not even contribute for two years being a play for McDermott in that win now mode. Maybe all of the dragging of the feet on the Tyrod decision were in fact negotiations within the franchise. Perhaps Whaley gave in to McDermott's request to get Tyrod back, and McDermott gave in to Whaley and said he wouldn't pout if Whaley picks a QB at #10. As for "two years", it can be seen as a good thing for a rookie QB to ease into the league and not have to start right away. If they do go QB at #10, that guy will be the starter in 2018 and Taylor will either be the backup or traded. Edited March 13, 2017 by 1billsfan
Mark Vader Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 I've never been more convinced we'll be picking Corey Davis @ 10. This is the right pick. I agree with you. I would really like to see the Bills trade down and grab more picks. But if Davis falls to us, I don't think we can pass on him.
FireChan Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Let's not forget McKelvin and Whitner. Did THEY result in playoff wins? And John, this losing philosophy goes back decades. When Kelly, Bruce, Thurman, and Andre were still good but growing older, the Bills were not drafting bpas to step in. They were drafting first round defensive backs. For a while it looked like the common denominator was Levy, but it continued after he left. That said, Levy/Jauron took quite the toll on this club. We really have still not recovered. I suspect that I think more of Tyrod than you do. Still, imo the Bills should trade down AND grab a qb. If thy really like one in particular I hope they stand pat and grab him. If they are sold on TT, how about a blocker, pass rusher or wide receiver? Jmo. The Bills have suffered from shortsightedness since, well, ever. If you take a player with your 1st or 2nd round pick that you wouldn't be willing to pay if they play at a /top 10-12 level, then you shouldn't pick them. Pick the guys you're willing to pay if they work out.
Cash Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 I voted defense and safety, but I think CB is about equally likely. If there was a DB option, I'd be all over it. I do think WR is next most likely, though.
Dr. Who Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) I agree, I think they go WR Zay Jones or Chris Godwin in round 2. I think there's a decent chance Lattimore is gone before 10; Adams and Hooker as well. If that happens, I suspect they go WR or Howard at 10. Personally, I would try to trade back and pick up an extra second. I would take Watson or Mahomes, then WR and best db or wlb in the second. Edited March 13, 2017 by Dr. Who
JMF2006 Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 I want a defensive WR;) I think its Davis. Isn't this the last year of Sammies rookie deal? If SW can't stay healthy they may not extend him so they need insurance.
JohnC Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Let's not forget McKelvin and Whitner. Did THEY result in playoff wins? And John, this losing philosophy goes back decades. When Kelly, Bruce, Thurman, and Andre were still good but growing older, the Bills were not drafting bpas to step in. They were drafting first round defensive backs. For a while it looked like the common denominator was Levy, but it continued after he left. That said, Levy/Jauron took quite the toll on this club. We really have still not recovered. I suspect that I think more of Tyrod than you do. Still, imo the Bills should trade down AND grab a qb. If thy really like one in particular I hope they stand pat and grab him. If they are sold on TT, how about a blocker, pass rusher or wide receiver?]/b] Jmo. Gotham Bill, Your suspicions about my estimation off TT are wrong. I'm not down on him, far from it. I'm glad he is staying. When discussing TT you have to view him in the realm of what are your goals? He's the type of qb who will allow your team to be respectable. What he is not going to do is elevate your team and make it a contending team. I challenge you to watch good qbs play and the type of offenses they run. Our passing offense in comparison is primitive because of his limitations. Being the best rushing offense is a stat that translates into being at best an 8-8 caliber team in the modern NFL. TT is the perfect bridge qb. When you have that caliber of qb that is the most propitious time to get a more upside qb prospect on board because you have the time to develop him. For a long time this organization has acted as if it is oblivious to the imperative of having a legitimate franchise qb. Every year their stunted approach to building a roster results in the same outcome. Other teams such as Oakland get their qb and pass us by. We stubbornly cling to the outdated approach to the game with the same results. This timidity to seriously address the qb position is simply stupid. Enough is enough.
Fadingpain Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Put yourself in Whaley's shoes and make a decision. If you think he is clueless then make a clueless decision. OK, I say we trade up for a middling RB who will wash out of the league in 4 years.
JMF2006 Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 OK, I say we trade up for a middling RB who will wash out of the league in 4 years. Come on you can do better than that how about a Fullback at 10?
Dr. Who Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) Gotham Bill, Your suspicions about my estimation off TT are wrong. I'm not down on him, far from it. I'm glad he is staying. When discussing TT you have to view him in the realm of what are your goals? He's the type of qb who will allow your team to be respectable. What he is not going to do is elevate your team and make it a contending team. I challenge you to watch good qbs play and the type of offenses they run. Our passing offense in comparison is primitive because of his limitations. Being the best rushing offense is a stat that translates into being at best an 8-8 caliber team in the modern NFL. TT is the perfect bridge qb. When you have that caliber of qb that is the most propitious time to get a more upside qb prospect on board because you have the time to develop him. For a long time this organization has acted as if it is oblivious to the imperative of having a legitimate franchise qb. Every year their stunted approach to building a roster results in the same outcome. Other teams such as Oakland get their qb and pass us by. We stubbornly cling to the outdated approach to the game with the same results. This timidity to seriously address the qb position is simply stupid. Enough is enough. This is right on target. I hope OBD gets it. But they probably don't. Edited March 13, 2017 by Dr. Who
Chicken Boo Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) What about whaley says Watson is the pick? If anything Kizer would be more of the mold whaley looks for. I highly doubt at this point whaley really even makes that call. You may be right about Tyrod, but I would hope Whaley understands that Taylor is the best option for this franchise in the immediate future. Watson isn't 6'4". That's the only thing he's missing that screams "Whaley!" Watson is a pass first, mobile QB from a big program, that is at his absolute best when on the big stage, and was as successful as one could hope for in his collegiate career. Deshaun is everything Doug hoped EJ would/could be. Edited March 13, 2017 by Chicken Boo
Bill from NYC Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Gotham Bill, Your suspicions about my estimation off TT are wrong. I'm not down on him, far from it. I'm glad he is staying. When discussing TT you have to view him in the realm of what are your goals? He's the type of qb who will allow your team to be respectable. What he is not going to do is elevate your team and make it a contending team. I challenge you to watch good qbs play and the type of offenses they run. Our passing offense in comparison is primitive because of his limitations. Being the best rushing offense is a stat that translates into being at best an 8-8 caliber team in the modern NFL. TT is the perfect bridge qb. When you have that caliber of qb that is the most propitious time to get a more upside qb prospect on board because you have the time to develop him. For a long time this organization has acted as if it is oblivious to the imperative of having a legitimate franchise qb. Every year their stunted approach to building a roster results in the same outcome. Other teams such as Oakland get their qb and pass us by. We stubbornly cling to the outdated approach to the game with the same results. This timidity to seriously address the qb position is simply stupid. Enough is enough. I agree with you but not completely. Maybe I'm nuts, but I think that a healthy TT, some offensive help (perhaps OL, WR, or TE) and good coaching could get this team into the playoffs. That said, I would still make a qb the 1 priority. You can't go wrong with qb depth. Now, will these things happen? History says no but again, there is hope this time of year.
JohnC Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 I agree with you but not completely. Maybe I'm nuts, but I think that a healthy TT, some offensive help (perhaps OL, WR, or TE) and good coaching could get this team into the playoffs. That said, I would still make a qb the 1 priority. You can't go wrong with qb depth. Now, will these things happen? History says no but again, there is hope this time of year. Big Apple Bill, The Bills are not going to use a high pick for a qb. I'm so confident that I would bet your life on that and sleep comfortably with that bet. It's what we do. I have a different twist on the qb position. Instead of adding playmakers to help the qb how about adding the caliber of qb who can properly utilize the talents of the skill players. My ambitions are a little higher than most Bills' fans who have a low standard. I'm not satisfied at simply squeaking into a wild-card spot with no chance to go further. Go back and review most of the teams who have a chance of not necessarily winning a SB but being a legitimate SB contender. Almost all have the qb position secured. If you think that TT is the answer then ask yourself why Whaley wasn't so enamored with him, and required him to adjust his contract to remain with the team? Even the new HC who wanted to keep him didn't describe him in glowing terms. TT is a bridge qb---that's what he is. He is better than what we have had in a long time. But that isn't saying much and it isn't much of a compliment either.
Ittakestime Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 The biggest impact will be OJ Howard and I think we will take him.
Captain Murica Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 The biggest impact will be OJ Howard and I think we will take him. I would be happy with this if its the case.
The Jokeman Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 I think Adams from LSU will fall to us and pounce on him.
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 CB Lattimore. If he falls, run to the table with the card before Whaley trades down to gain an extra future special teamer
Kmart128 Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Im guessing Marlon Humphrey in round 1 and Zay Jones or Chris Godwin in round 2
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