transient Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Here is the deal. You treat your former players, especially the great ones, with an open door policy. If Jim Kelly offers to help Tyrod, you say "great, come on in". Ed Reed did wonders for the communication problems on defense last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Here is the deal. You treat your former players, especially the great ones, with an open door policy. If Jim Kelly offers to help Tyrod, you say "great, come on in". Right, to hell with the coaches who are actually paid to, you know, coach. Let's have an open door where any former player can come in and get in the middle of things! Sounds like a great way to run a program. I'm sure the coaches will love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 When you don't, you look like my New York Knicks, who have done a terrible job honoring the players of the past, over the past few years. Bridging the past with the present is called "healthy" There's a point in which you honor your former players, and there's a point in which you let them interfere with team operations because they are who they are. In my opinion, it is not appropriate and rarely works out. That is what the coaches they hire are for. If they want to hire Christie as a kicking coach and he's qualified to do it then sure, but that determination is up to Whaley, not sympathetic fans who will turn on Christie the second Carpenter misses another extra point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 When you don't, you look like my New York Knicks, who have done a terrible job honoring the players of the past, over the past few years. Bridging the past with the present is called "healthy" Wow, your lack of understanding on this issue is immense. Honoring former greats is not the same thing as inviting them to get in the way of your coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 You have a veteran kicker suffering from confidence issues. It would be a HORRIBLE idea to say to him, hey, we're gonna bring in an old, fan-loved alum to help you fix your bad kicking. This is a dumb thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) First of all, Christie is an outsider. Anyone that is not employed by the Buffalo Bills currently is an outsider, technically. Second, Carpenter was released. He, too, is now an outsider. Christie no longer needs to "help", as far as the Bills are concerned. If he wants to help Carpenter, he can. All he needs to do is contact Dan, and see what he thinks. That has absolutely nothing to do with the Bills. This comes out now, after the fact, not before Carpenter was let go, or during the previous two down years for him. Whaley may have done some questionable things as GM, but this should reflect negatively on Christie and Christie only, yet people want to twist this into some Whaley rage. Color me shocked. Edited March 7, 2017 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I feel like this isn't the first time OP has shouted this thread title out while sitting alone in front of a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Carpenter sucks. Move on. I don't give a damn if Christie wanted to help. Hahaha! My man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Yeah Obviously a non story, I mean no media is spinning cycles on this non story and the Bills are not forced to address a non story. OOOO wait nevermind. Cause you know someone that Kicked in Buffalo for 9 years and dealt with the weather for 9 years would have NOTHING to offer Carp, only Crossman knows laughable So you think Whaley should be making personnel decisions based on the whims of former players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 I see what they mean by "self moderated board" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Some of the stuff like what ? Really? Christie has credibility ? I guess Carpenter didn't want the help either he had 4-5 yrs to get help from Christie. If coaches can't do their job ? replace them OMG you Whaley haters are unreal. Listen ; Wgr and that listening audience need to understand that he is not going anywhere period. The owners can see he is a very good talent evaluator period. With no salary cap he signed two pro-bowl players in Alexander & Brown off the heap... I wish the last 4 past GM's could have done that. Did you lose a fight to your keyboard? Also, bringing up Lorenzo Alexander to defend Whaley in this thread is a stretch. There are some quality things about Whaley, but striking gold on an aging ST player is pure dumb luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Did you lose a fight to your keyboard? Also, bringing up Lorenzo Alexander to defend Whaley in this thread is a stretch. There are some quality things about Whaley, but striking gold on an aging ST player is pure dumb luck. Ok then EJ Manuel was dumb bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Wow, your lack of understanding on this issue is immense. Honoring former greats is not the same thing as inviting them to get in the way of your coaches. Let me explain. In my line of work, there are always former employees that come back around from time to time to say hello. Some of them were there for years. When they give me advice or share their past job stories, I listen. It isn't threatening to my boss that they come around from time to time and it isn't threatening to me to listen to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 From Christie's FB page, 5 minutes ago. First of all, I certainly didn't expect such a response to my Dan Carpenter post. I am humbled by all your support!! I wish Dan the very best and will continue to support our Bills. This was not intended to be an attack on the GM, or the coaching staff, but having been cut myself a few times, it's not easy. I truly felt that Dan had more than enough talent to turn things around before it came to this. I was not vying for a coaching position either- I'm just part of the kicking fraternity wanting to help a fellow man. Go Bills!! This to me reads much less like, "get in the way of the coaching staff" and a lot more like, "hey, let me talk to the kid." I think this a non-story, but it makes no sense to call Christie an outsider and refuse to let him have a meeting with Carpenter just to talk shop. I feel like there was a way to make all parties happy in this situation. Ok then EJ Manuel was dumb bad luck. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Let me explain. In my line of work, there are always former employees that come back around from time to time to say hello. Some of them were there for years. When they give me advice or share their past job stories, I listen. It isn't threatening to my boss that they come around from time to time and it isn't threatening to me to listen to them. When your boss is going to fire you, he might have a problem with a former employee trying to override him because said former employee thinks you can be a pet project and be improved. This to me reads much less like, "get in the way of the coaching staff" and a lot more like, "hey, let me talk to the kid." I think this a non-story, but it makes no sense to call Christie an outsider and refuse to let him have a meeting with Carpenter just to talk shop. I feel like there was a way to make all parties happy in this situation. Huh? If Lorenzo Alexander was just pure dumb luck and had nothing to do with evaluating talent then EJ Manuel was just a fluke or pure dumb bad luck. Bad analogy I know, but to chalk things like that up to "dumb luck" is dumb. Whaley has always shown a higher aptitude in evaluating LB/CB/DB talent. Edited March 7, 2017 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGBillsFan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 IMO Christie was looking for $ and OBD said no we already have coaches. If Christie really wanted to help Carp then reach out to him and do it on your own time...nothing stopping him from doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 This to me reads much less like, "get in the way of the coaching staff" and a lot more like, "hey, let me talk to the kid." I think this a non-story, but it makes no sense to call Christie an outsider and refuse to let him have a meeting with Carpenter just to talk shop. I feel like there was a way to make all parties happy in this situation. Hard to believe that Christie would have to go through the GM just to "talk shop" with Carpenter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 IN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Even hear the expression "too many cooks?" How would you feel about an ex-employee offering to help you do your job? Rex was apparently unfamiliar with that phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) So you think Whaley should be making personnel decisions based on the whims of former players? I think if a former Kicker wants to talk to the Current Kicker The GM should stay the f out of it and let the conversation happen if Carp wants it Where did I ever say Whaley should listen to former players on personnel moves. Edited March 7, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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