Rockpile233 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I think Whaley is a terrible GM because the roster is paper thin at many key positions... Not because of BS like this.
Big Turk Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Saw this on twitter: http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/3/7/14841906/buffalo-bills-kicker-steve-christie-dan-carpenter-doug-whaley?utm_campaign=buffalorumblings&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter Steve Christie looked to help Carpenter with his kicking, but Whaley wouldn't let him. I'd like to wish the very best to Dan Carpenter and his future endeavors. It's not easy kicking in Buffalo! For the record, I did offer to help him, but was told by the GM that he wouldn't be receptive to outsiders. You would think after kicking there for nine years, l wouldn't be considered an outsider. But rather an experienced resource that was available to coach a fellow specialist in a time of need. Guys, I'm generally supportive of Doug, but stuff like this gives me pause. I think he's done a decent job drafting (when you think without Captain Hindsight with you, he did make choices that were understandable), picking up solid players like O Leary and J. Miller. But some of the stuff like this kind of concerns me. GMs should make efforts to improve their team, and treating your best kicker in team history as an "outsider" is really strange. I'll keep supporting the man, but stuff like this sticks with the fans. It will be interesting to see what this year's draft will do for his image. OK, so Whaley told him that Carpenter wouldn't be receptive to outsiders. How is that on Whaley? Is he supposed to force Carpenter to listen? Are you trying to insinuate Whaley was lying to him and he was telling him no and used Carpenter not being receptive as an excuse?
flomoe Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 If I were to guess, the ex coach probably had more to do with the kicker not kicking well, than the GM. We don't know the timeline of when Christie offered advice but DC's issues started when Rex got here and DC was baggered the whole time by him. Cutting him now is probably as much of a salary move as it is lack of production.
liverpoolkev Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I think Whaley is a terrible GM because the roster is paper thin at many key positions... Not because of BS like this. If you think Whaley is a terrible then you wasn't around for Buddy Nix , Butler , Marv Levy or Donohue..... Your thinking Whaley is terrible is rooted in something else not BS like that
Riverboat Richie Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 You're so bad at you job we thought we'd bring in this guy who hasn't kicked for years to help you. What do you say? You OK with that Carp? I wouldn't think much of Carp or Whaley for doing that. If you can better the position then do so and don't waste time with him.
thunderingsquid Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 We don't know the whole story on this, if there was a request for $ or what the discussion was like. But it does sound like he was shut down right away.
Rockpile233 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 If you think Whaley is a terrible then you wasn't around for Buddy Nix , Butler , Marv Levy or Donohue..... Your thinking Whaley is terrible is rooted in something else not BS like that Listing other failures is supposed to prove a point? I think Whaley is terrible for the following: -Poor management of draft picks -Reactive over proactive (see 2016 WR position) -Very minimal, if at any, progress with the most important position on the field. -Has spoken openly about viewing FA as an equivalent team building avenue to the draft, which I think is a poor philosophy for many reasons. -Doubling down on EJ Manuel after year one when the evidence should have given pause. He has made some decent trades, but ultimately should not have survived another staff shuffle. None of these are related to the potential "something else" I imagine you were implying.
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) If I were to guess, the ex coach probably had more to do with the kicker not kicking well, than the GM. We don't know the timeline of when Christie offered advice but DC's issues started when Rex got here and DC was baggered the whole time by him. Cutting him now is probably as much of a salary move as it is lack of production. I brought that up earlier. Rex handled a struggling Carpenter (post injury) quite poorly IMO. Prior to injury, he was the Bills all time best kicker (albeit only for a few seasons). Whether or not that played a significant role, if any, in Carpenter's lack of production over the last two years is debatable, but when you look at the salary, and lack of production, the decision to move on shouldn't come as a surprise. Listing other failures is supposed to prove a point? I think Whaley is terrible for the following: -Poor management of draft picks -Reactive over proactive (see 2016 WR position) -Very minimal, if at any, progress with the most important position on the field. -Has spoken openly about viewing FA as an equivalent team building avenue to the draft, which I think is a poor philosophy for many reasons. -Doubling down on EJ Manuel after year one when the evidence should have given pause. He has made some decent trades, but ultimately should not have survived another staff shuffle. None of these are related to the potential "something else" I imagine you were implying. I will say that Whaley has made some questionable decisions as GM, and that comparing him to previous GMs doesn't justify labeling him as a "good" GM, but it hasn't been all bad moves. IMO, a big reason why he is still here is because of the lack of potential GM upgrades that were available. After the way the last few weeks of the season transpired, with all the "leaks" and speculation from within OBD, the Bills would have had a very hard time selling that job to any real potential upgrade. I mean, the 49ers hire Lynch, FCOL. Who would the Bills have hired? Then again, perhaps Whaley knew the writing was inthe wall with Rex, and ddidn't want to go down with him, and created that whole mess in order to save his job... Edited March 7, 2017 by Drunken Pygmy Goat
Bill from NYC Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 That's how I read it also. I want Whaley fired yesterday, but I'm going to flame him for this. I know, I can't even blame Whaley for this in good faith!
BmarvB Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 If Christie wanted to help Carpenter should have called him directly and offered him advice. There you go!!!
WGBillsFan Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 IMO Christie was looking for $ and OBD said no we already have coaches. If Christie really wanted to help Carp then reach out to him and do it on your own time...nothing stopping him from doing that.
Wayne Arnold Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Can we please face reality and realize Whaley is completely incompetent? Fire this clown before he buries us to depths it will take a decade to recover from.
iinii Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Makes perfect sense that they wouldn't bring in Christie for this. That's what coaches are for.In business they are sometimes called mentors, advisors or consultants. Quite often organizations are too narrow minded to think someone outside of the organization could help, which generally involves ego. You speak of coaches, where is Rex now? Wasn't he referred to as bombastic, full of himself kind of personality? Whaley is like a paranoid rat scurrying about worrying someone will take his job. Whaley doesn't exude confidence or competence. Christie may not have been able to help in any way but it wouldn't surprise me if the door was slammed in his face.
Roundybout Posted March 7, 2017 Author Posted March 7, 2017 IMO Christie was looking for $ and OBD said no we already have coaches. If Christie really wanted to help Carp then reach out to him and do it on your own time...nothing stopping him from doing that. I agree with this. The first time I read it, I was thinking a different way, but you all make much more sense than I do.
Rico Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 In the "update to this article": Christie had an opportunity to clarify, but his response seems to indicate that the he in the post is Whaley, not Carpenter. Its possible that Carpenter was rejecting the help through Whaley, but from Christies perspective it would seem that Whaley was the one who shot the whole thing down. geez, this article is like a Rorschach test . What do you see? I see Lil Doug's head exploding on the day Pegs finally fires him.
Rockpile233 Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 In business they are sometimes called mentors, advisors or consultants. Quite often organizations are too narrow minded to think someone outside of the organization could help, which generally involves ego. You speak of coaches, where is Rex now? Wasn't he referred to as bombastic, full of himself kind of personality? Whaley is like a paranoid rat scurrying about worrying someone will take his job. Whaley doesn't exude confidence or competence. Christie may not have been able to help in any way but it wouldn't surprise me if the door was slammed in his face. I really don't think this should be made into a big thing, but Christie did apparently feel the need to take a swipe.
MAJBobby Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Not a good look for the Bills and GM Doug Whaley WGRZVerified account @WGRZ 1h1 hour ago Former Kicker Steve Christie calls out Bills in Facebook post http://on.wgrz.com/2mil87d
Big C Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Being discussed here: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/192416-whaley-oh-whaley/But how could you know that from the title?
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