DC Tom Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Didn't you start all this claiming Trump was just trying to change the subject? Lol, now it's all evil media lying! President Donald Trump owes the public a further explanation of his allegation that former President Barack Obama tapped Trump's phones, said GOP Sen. Ben Sasse on Saturday afternoon. The Nebraska Republican, who opposed both Trump and Hillary Clinton in the president campaign, called the current political atmosphere a "civilization-warping crisis of public trust" after Trump said Obama ordered Trump's phone lines tapped before the election and Obama's spokesman denied it on Saturday. Sasse said if there were taps, it would have been either with a FISA court authorization or without but either way Trump needed to publicly explain his tweeted allegations. "The president today made some very serious allegations, and the informed citizens that a republic requires deserve more information," Sasse said. "If without [an authorization], the President should explain what sort of wiretap it was and how he knows this. It is possible that he was illegally tapped." But Sasse said if there was a legal authorization for a phone tap, then Trump should disclose that application. "If it was with a legal FISA court order, then an application for surveillance exists that the court found credible. The president should ask that this full application regarding surveillance of foreign operatives or operations be made available, ideally to the full public, and at a bare minimum to the U.S. Senate," Sasse said. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-sasse-trump-wire-tapping-235685 [This is an automated response.] You're not trying to make a point, you're just a jerk. Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.61.
Tiberius Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Clapper perjured himself, as the video above shows. He lied, for years, about the scope of NSA spying in US citizens. Now he is the fountainhead for much, if not all of the "official" IC reports on the Russian issue and you're taking his words at face value without doing your due diligence because what he's saying fits into your political agenda. Rubio has long made it known he's a regime change warrior who went toe to toe with Trump as the defacto face of the deep state in the republican primaries once Jeb withdrew. He has an agenda, it's clear if you go back through his statements during the campaign and his views on foreign policy. These are facts with source able evidence and proof. Unlike everything that's been said about the Russians and Trump. Like Trump being pro Putin and changing GOP platform to ease up on them Like Trump saying he had nothing to do with Russia in last ten years Like Trump asking Russia to hack Hillary's emails Like Trump's son saying the borrowed heavily from Russia Ya, nothing... The funny thing Rubio did say was that the FBI didn't comment on on going investigations, lol
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Like Trump being pro Putin and changing GOP platform to ease up on them Like Trump saying he had nothing to do with Russia in last ten years Like Trump asking Russia to hack Hillary's emails Like Trump's son saying the borrowed heavily from Russia Ya, nothing... None of those things are evidence of anything, certainly not evidence that Russia influenced the election or has somehow compromised Trump. And that's the real issue right? Whether or not Russia tipped the scales of the election illegally in favor of Trump and whether or not they compromised him or his team? To date, despite months of speculation and unnamed sources citing speculations, there's been zero evidence proffered to make that case. None. Zip. Zilch. It's all circumstantial and speculative. But because you don't like Trump (nor do I), you're willing to take the speculations and stories of people who are PROVEN LIARS at face value because they fit the narrative you like best. That's not evidence. That's confirmation bias of the worst kind... kind of like the confirmation bias that got the majority of Americans to support invading Iraq after being lied to by the very same people you're now citing as paragons of the truth. Here's an honest question, let's say everything you think happened actually did and there's a smoking gun to prove it which comes out to the public. What happens next? Do you think it stops at Trump's impeachment? Of course ti doesn't stop at Trump's impeachment, because if the Russians actually did what they're being accused of, it would be an act of war that would demand a response militarily. ...And then, that's the ballgame. You just really have to take the time to walk out these scenarios to see where they're leading.
Tiberius Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 I think they are evidence. Trump is up to his eyeballs with a criminal regime the election was tainted to some degree and the IC says it was the Russians. You just want to take Trump's word for it? Not me
DC Tom Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 I think they are evidence. Trump is up to his eyeballs with a criminal regime the election was tainted to some degree and the IC says it was the Russians. You just want to take Trump's word for it? Not me [This is an automated response.] You're an idiot. Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.61.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 I think they are evidence. Trump is up to his eyeballs with a criminal regime the election was tainted to some degree and the IC says it was the Russians. You just want to take Trump's word for it? Not me I don't want to take Trump's word for it, but you clearly do want to take the word of people who are proven liars (WMD in Iraq/NSA spying et al) because the lie they're pushing on you fits your political outlook. That's not real evidence. That's the thinking of a lazy and uninspired lemming. My entire point of contention is that since there is no evidence being offered, we're forced to just take the word of people who just recently lied us into a war we're still fighting. Only now they're trying to goad us into a war with the largest nuclear power on the planet. If that isn't alarming to you, then you're more of a partisan hack than people give you credit for.
North Buffalo Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 None of those things are evidence of anything, certainly not evidence that Russia influenced the election or has somehow compromised Trump. And that's the real issue right? Whether or not Russia tipped the scales of the election illegally in favor of Trump and whether or not they compromised him or his team? To date, despite months of speculation and unnamed sources citing speculations, there's been zero evidence proffered to make that case. None. Zip. Zilch. It's all circumstantial and speculative. But because you don't like Trump (nor do I), you're willing to take the speculations and stories of people who are PROVEN LIARS at face value because they fit the narrative you like best. That's not evidence. That's confirmation bias of the worst kind... kind of like the confirmation bias that got the majority of Americans to support invading Iraq after being lied to by the very same people you're now citing as paragons of the truth. Here's an honest question, let's say everything you think happened actually did and there's a smoking gun to prove it which comes out to the public. What happens next? Do you think it stops at Trump's impeachment? Of course ti doesn't stop at Trump's impeachment, because if the Russians actually did what they're being accused of, it would be an act of war that would demand a response militarily. ...And then, that's the ballgame. You just really have to take the time to walk out these scenarios to see where they're leading. And zero evidence that Trump was tapped but he made the accusation... show evidence.... pics want them candid. Trump has admitted business dealings with Russia. Russian officials have admitted attempts to influence elections and have been harboring, Assange who has had axe to grind against Clintons. Whether Trump or his family is guilty of treason before the election hasnt been proven... ill agree to that... still follow the money Until Trump discloses his tax returns, his denials are disengenous at best. I don't want to take Trump's word for it, but you clearly do want to take the word of people who are proven liars (WMD in Iraq/NSA spying et al) because the lie they're pushing on you fits your political outlook. That's not real evidence. That's the thinking of a lazy and uninspired lemming. My entire point of contention is that since there is no evidence being offered, we're forced to just take the word of people who just recently lied us into a war we're still fighting. Only now they're trying to goad us into a war with the largest nuclear power on the planet. If that isn't alarming to you, then you're more of a partisan hack than people give you credit for. Trump making an accusation is not evidence either.
grinreaper Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 And zero evidence that Trump was tapped but he made the accusation... show evidence.... pics want them candid. Trump has admitted business dealings with Russia. Russian officials have admitted attempts to influence elections and have been harboring, Assange who has had axe to grind against Clintons. Whether Trump or his family is guilty of treason before the election hasnt been proven... ill agree to that... still follow the money Until Trump discloses his tax returns, his denials are disengenous at best. Trump making an accusation is not evidence either. Get your facts straight.
Doc Brown Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Well, Trump's long friend and adviser Roger Stone had quite the twitter night last night basically admitting to colluding with Assange during election. He quickly deleted it. @RVAwonk you stupid b**ch -never denied perfectly legal back channel to Assange who indeed had the goods on #Crooked Hillary. Here's the unedited tweet http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a53606/roger-stone-tweets/?zoomable This is why this Russia thing won't go away.
keepthefaith Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 And zero evidence that Trump was tapped but he made the accusation... show evidence.... pics want them candid. Trump has admitted business dealings with Russia. Russian officials have admitted attempts to influence elections and have been harboring, Assange who has had axe to grind against Clintons. Whether Trump or his family is guilty of treason before the election hasnt been proven... ill agree to that... still follow the money Until Trump discloses his tax returns, his denials are disengenous at best. Trump making an accusation is not evidence either. Uh, no. You've taken the bait. Follow what money? Follow what evidence? The media and Trump's political rivals are pushing conspiracy theories for purely political reasons. Why else would they be doing it in the face of no evidence even after surveillance and investigative work has been done? What we do know is that Trump and/or his campaign team were under some forms of surveillance for months and that none of that has turned up anything.
DC Tom Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 And zero evidence that Trump was tapped but he made the accusation... show evidence.... pics want them candid. Trump has admitted business dealings with Russia. Russian officials have admitted attempts to influence elections and have been harboring, Assange who has had axe to grind against Clintons. Whether Trump or his family is guilty of treason before the election hasnt been proven... ill agree to that... still follow the money Until Trump discloses his tax returns, his denials are disengenous at best. Trump making an accusation is not evidence either. There's multiple published stories about the FBI seeking wiretap warrants against Trump and his campaign that predate Trump's tweet.
Nanker Posted March 5, 2017 Author Posted March 5, 2017 Obfuscation! Obfuscation, Tom. Obfuscation! Those can't be true. B. O. is such a nice and gentle man. He can dance too.
North Buffalo Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Oh this going to be so much fun... Trump just tweeted "the fun is over now". Lol oh contraire mon fraire... it has just begun... both sides are gonna be nasty... Trump just took the bait and here we go weeee!
DC Tom Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Oh this going to be so much fun... Trump just tweeted "the fun is over now". Lol oh contraire mon fraire... it has just begun... both sides are gonna be nasty... Trump just took the bait and here we go weeee! No, the fun's over. He's successfully distracted everyone from Sessions. YOU'RE BEING PLAYED, you morons.
North Buffalo Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Obfuscation! Obfuscation, Tom. Obfuscation! Those can't be true. B. O. is such a nice and gentle man. He can dance too. Yup, by everyone... doing the brump in the Frump... No, the fun's over. He's successfully distracted everyone from Sessions. YOU'RE BEING PLAYED, you morons. You think so... this is the gift that keeps giving and it will... it aint ending here.
B-Man Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 FLASHBACK: DID THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE USE THE NSA TO SPY ON CONGRESS ABOUT THE IRAN DEAL?
DC Tom Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Yup, by everyone... doing the brump in the Frump... You think so... this is the gift that keeps giving and it will... it aint ending here. It is, because before next week is out somebody else in this administration will have done something dense (probably Rick Perry - he's due), and Trump will have recklessly tweeted some other inanity, and we'll be two mass media bladder failures beyond this topic. It actually should have ended Friday, with the former administration officials responding "Of course we wire-tapped him. We got warrants and everything. You reported that back in October." But everyone's choosing to be preternaturally stupid over this one tweet. Because YOU'RE BEING PLAYED. This couldn't be more of a non-issue.
PastaJoe Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 FLASHBACK: DID THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE USE THE NSA TO SPY ON CONGRESS ABOUT THE IRAN DEAL?
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 And zero evidence that Trump was tapped but he made the accusation... show evidence.... pics want them candid. I'm not, and never have been, defending Trump. The question was, where is the evidence Trump is turning us into "ruskies" -- you said "we know enough". I asked you to provide me the evidence, evidence that isn't based on speculation or unnamed sources. If you have that evidence, I'll happily listen and am willing to change my opinion on the matter. Trump has admitted business dealings with Russia. Russian officials have admitted attempts to influence elections and have been harboring, Assange who has had axe to grind against Clintons. Business dealings aren't proof. Russian officials have not admitted to influencing the election (if they did, please provide a link), and the Russians most definitely are not harboring Assange (there is zero evidence of this claim, none). Whether Trump or his family is guilty of treason before the election hasnt been proven... ill agree to that... still follow the money Until Trump discloses his tax returns, his denials are disengenous at best. This is the ENTIRE POINT. You're jumping to a conclusion before there's been any evidence proffered. And the people leading you to this conclusion are the same people who lied about WMD in Iraq, lied about NSA spying on US civilians, and have been actively and deliberately trying to engineer regime change in Moscow YEARS before this campaign even started. That is NOT the same thing as saying Trump is innocent. He may be a duplicitous turd who's a secret FSB asset -- but until we see actual evidence of that fact, making that claim is as outrageously unfounded as the claims that Iraq had WMD or that NSA is not spying on US citizens. I'm not a partisan guy, I'm politically agnostic. I could not care less about right versus left or democrats versus republicans, what I do care a great deal about is that our democratic republic functions as intended and isn't railroaded by unelected IC officers whom have a proven track record of lying about matters just like this.
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