Rob's House Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 19 hours ago, bbb said: I seem to be the only person who isn't convinced that I saw a murder in the video. For one, I was told that I was going to see two rednecks chase down an unarmed black guy. So, I watch the video, and I'm totally confused - as he seems to run right towards them. Then, the camera goes haywire just at the moment the confrontation got physical. It's hard to tell what happened but it seems that Ahmaud charged at Sonny. Dad possibly fires a warning shot. Ahmaud and Sonny struggle for the gun and Sonny was on the shooting end of the gun. Plus, you don't see what led up to this at all. It looks like it could be murder but those 20-30 seconds or whatever don't convince me, for whatever reason. Oh, and the jogging part sounds like nonsense - in boots and 12 miles from his house. That's exactly where I am. After watching the video I still don't know enough about the situation to draw any strong conclusions one way or the other. It seems to me to be another case of manufactured outrage supported by the confirmation bias of the SJW left to push their white privilege/oppressed minority theory of America. Anyone who says with great certainty that they saw a racially charged murder based on watching that video is telling you a lot more about their bias and credibility than about what they actually saw. 1
Koko78 Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Didn't you voluntarily join PPP? If so, it would appear that you consciously joined an organization that is racist. Do you know what that would make you? He apparently hears the racist dog whistles. Of course, being able to hear them means... 1
Koko78 Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 56 minutes ago, Rob's House said: That's exactly where I am. After watching the video I still don't know enough about the situation to draw any strong conclusions one way or the other. It seems to me to be another case of manufactured outrage supported by the confirmation bias of the SJW left to push their white privilege/oppressed minority theory of America. Anyone who says with great certainty that they saw a racially charged murder based on watching that video is telling you a lot more about their bias and credibility than about what they actually saw. The video without context is meaningless. Apparently there was a black guy in a white tee shirt seen a home under construction the day before. Of course, there only being one black guy and one white tee shirt in the state of Georgia means that when these guys saw him the next day, they knew he was the one. Quote On the day before the shooting, another neighbor in the area called 911 stating that a Black man in a white t-shirt was inside a house that was under construction. https://thegrio.com/2020/04/27/family-justice-ahmaud-arbery-killed-white-men/ Quote How was he killed? Mr. Arbery was running in Satilla Shores when a man standing in his front yard saw him go by, according to a police report. The man, Gregory McMichael, said he thought Mr. Arbery looked like a man suspected in several break-ins in the area and called to his son, Travis McMichael. According to the police report, the men grabbed a .357 Magnum handgun and a shotgun, got into a pickup truck and chased Mr. Arbery, trying unsuccessfully to cut him off. A third man was also involved in the pursuit, according to the police report and other documents. Police report detailing the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery In a recording of a 911 call, which appears to have been made moments before the chase began, a neighbor told a dispatcher that a black man was inside a house that was under construction on the McMichaels’ block. During the chase, the McMichaels yelled, “Stop, stop, we want to talk to you,” according to Gregory McMichael’s account in the police report. They then pulled up to Mr. Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. Gregory McMichael “stated the unidentified male began to violently attack Travis and the two men then started fighting over the shotgun at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot,” the report states. https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html They cut him off once, then continued to chase him and cut him off again. With guns drawn, just to "talk" to him. Oh, and someone seemingly forgot to mention to the police that the supposed burglary was the day before.
Motorin' Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: The video without context is meaningless. Apparently there was a black guy in a white tee shirt seen a home under construction the day before. Of course, there only being one black guy and one white tee shirt in the state of Georgia means that when these guys saw him the next day, they knew he was the one. https://thegrio.com/2020/04/27/family-justice-ahmaud-arbery-killed-white-men/ https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html They cut him off once, then continued to chase him and cut him off again. With guns drawn, just to "talk" to him. Oh, and someone seemingly forgot to mention to the police that the supposed burglary was the day before. Abery might have trespassed that day. He might have stolen something from a garage, through it doesn't appear as though anything was reported stolen. That's not an excuse for three armed people to pursue and accost a person with guns drawn. People are outraged because had the video tape not existed, there's no reason to believe there would have been any arrests. Trey Gowdy gets it:
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) Are they both charged with murder? Did they both shoot him?? That's what's confusing me. Wow, I'm not a Trey fan, but he nailed that one! Edited May 10, 2020 by daz28
Rob's House Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 On 5/10/2020 at 12:25 PM, Koko78 said: The video without context is meaningless. Apparently there was a black guy in a white tee shirt seen a home under construction the day before. Of course, there only being one black guy and one white tee shirt in the state of Georgia means that when these guys saw him the next day, they knew he was the one. https://thegrio.com/2020/04/27/family-justice-ahmaud-arbery-killed-white-men/ https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html They cut him off once, then continued to chase him and cut him off again. With guns drawn, just to "talk" to him. Oh, and someone seemingly forgot to mention to the police that the supposed burglary was the day before. Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting that these guys acted properly or shouldn't be arrested, just that the video, as you stated, doesn't show enough to draw a conclusion either way. The reports giving it context have been inconsistent and still leave a lot of questions unanswered. It's entirely possible if I was on the jury I'd vote to convict, but given the lack of reliable evidence, I could also see a reasonably plausible scenario where I would not. I can't say with any confidence which way I'd fall at this point. I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around the decision to engage in a fistfight with a man carrying a firearm, much less multiple armed men, regardless of who's in the right. Perhaps he figured they were going to shoot him anyway and that was his only chance, but I don't get that from the video, and it seems extremely stupid to me. Not suggesting stupidity warrants a death sentence, but Darwin does not always concern himself with justice. And even if you're not justified in drawing your firearm, when someone who's likely stronger than you is taking the firearm from you, it is understandable why you may shoot even if you had no intention to do so in the first place. It doesn't necessarily justify the action, but it certainly complicates the matter. The more interesting part to me is how willing people are to jump to conclusions based on woefully insufficient evidence and mold the fact pattern to conform to their biases by filling in the gaps with their preconceptions, then accept that narrative as incontrovertible fact.
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/college-professor-wife-caught-on-video-using-racist-slurs/ 1 1
bbb Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, Rob's House said: The more interesting part to me is how willing people are to jump to conclusions based on woefully insufficient evidence and mold the fact pattern to conform to their biases by filling in the gaps with their preconceptions, then accept that narrative as incontrovertible fact. Before I clicked on any video, I had been reading tweets saying that I was going to see two rednecks chase down an unarmed black man................I was totally confused when I"m thinking I'm seeing the black guy run TOWARDS the said rednecks. 1
Motorin' Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around the decision to engage in a fistfight with a man carrying a firearm, much less multiple armed men, regardless of who's in the right. Perhaps he figured they were going to shoot him anyway and that was his only chance, but I don't get that from the video, and it seems extremely stupid to me. You don't see the initial face to face confrontation in the video. That part is cut off as the second car pulls over. From all of the available information, the white truck drove past him and then blocked the right lane of the road while the second car drove up from behind. The men in the pickup truck tried to "arrest" him with guns drawn on him. One man in front of the truck with a shotgun, another in the bed of the truck with a handgun. The lawyer who leaked the video thought that the video would exonerate their friends, because in his mind if Aubery had just surrendered to the arrest he wouldn't have been shot. Except in no world that we live in can citizen chase down unarmed persons in the middle of the road, block them in with their cars, draw guns on them and arrest them. That's called vigilante justice. 9 minutes ago, bbb said: Before I clicked on any video, I had been reading tweets saying that I was going to see two rednecks chase down an unarmed black man................I was totally confused when I"m thinking I'm seeing the black guy run TOWARDS the said rednecks. You're discounting that the second car that was filming also had an armed man in it. One car drove past him and blocked the road in front (which you don't see in the video), and one drove up from behind to block the road behind him... I don't think these guy's thought process was "let's go kill us a black man." I think they legitimately thought he was a criminal, and they believed they had the right to take guns, track him down and bring him to justice. Had they actually been uniformed officers, legally they would have had the right to do exactly what they did.
bbb Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, Motorin' said: You're discounting that the second car that was filming also had an armed man in it. One car drove past him and blocked the road in front (which you don't see in the video), and one drove up from behind to block the road behind him... Yeah, that's exactly the type of questions I was asking at the time (Day One of this) and nobody had the answers. (Not here) Why am I supposed to be seeing him run away but I see him run towards? Who is filming? And, why does the camera move away right when the most important thing happens - the two start to engage each other? 40 minutes ago, B-Man said: 1st World Parent @1stWorldParent · 5h Replying to @Timcast While he didn't deserve to die, why LIE to me about him being a runner? If there's a REAL problem with racism in our country, it wouldn't be so hard to expose it without MAKING UP stories. This is ALWAYS my problem with the lies about Trump and the lies with these racial things. If it's so bad, just go with the truth. I had somebody (super liberal) message me on Facebook with a picture of the former cop who is now charged with his arm around GA Gov. Kemp at a campaign stop - posing for a picture.................The guy had a shirt saying Mohammed isn't God, and a bunch of other similar garb on. It took me all of three seconds to google and be shown that isn't the guy being charged at all, and instead some yahoo from year's ago. Can't liberals do a little fact checking before spreading things around?!? 1
B-Man Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 You Didn’t Shoot Ahmaud Arbery By Kira Davis FTA: I have come to the conclusion that the reason some white conservatives dig in so hard against narratives of racial violence when they hit the public square is because they are so used to constantly being on the defensive when it comes to race. I just dropped a frustrated thread on Twitter about my very deep annoyance with people who think black conservatives aren’t ever supposed to argue with each or disagree on anything. It is quite offensive to be lumped into one category and have your individuality and unique life experience poured into THE BLACK CONSERVATIVE mold and then be asked to speak on behalf of all black people everywhere, even though you don’t know them all and are quite familiar with the ideological diversity within black America. I think that’s h0w white conservatives feel when it comes to race. Just like I don’t speak for all black people, white conservatives don’t speak for all white people. It’s unnerving to be asked to answer for the sins of your ancestors and the sins of others who happen to reside in the same racial group. So it’s no wonder so many white conservatives feel compelled to push back against any narrative that might support the idea that black people still face many dangerous cultural and justice-related obstacles in this country. They feel accused by the very notion. In today’s climate of hot takes and social justice warriors pinning the blame on anyone and everyone who doesn’t fit their mold, the only way to prove that they are not racist murderers is to deny racist murders exist at all. If there’s no race issue, then they can’t be a part of it in the first place…and again, I’m talking about good people who aren’t racist killers and naturally don’t want to be associated with racist killers in any way. It’s self-preservation, in my opinion. And I get it. I do. So let’s all get something straight…listen up. YOU DID NOT SHOOT AHMAUD ARBERY. You didn’t take video of him poking around a construction site hours before his murder. You did not see him running down the street. You did not stalk him with a camera. You did not approach him with a loaded weapon and demand he stop. You did not look threatening to him and you did not cause him to fear for his life when two armed men with zero authority demanded he stop running. You did not engage him as he tried to fight for the weapon trained on him. You did not cover up the shooting and let the two men involved in a shooting go straight home to live their lives while Arbery’s family was simply left to wonder. YOU DID NOT DO ANY OF THAT. You’ve been absolved. So now is it okay if we call this what it was? A murder. Let Arbery’s family get the full story and justice for their son. I’m sorry if you’ve been falsely accused of bigotry, but you have at least a whiff of what young black men like Arbery experience regularly to this day. It’s okay to say this shooting was wrong. It doesn’t mean you’re responsible for it or responsible to speak for every other white person in America. It doesn’t mean America isn’t the best country in the world and it doesn’t mean that most Americans aren’t living quite well and peaceably alongside their neighbors. It just means you can spot injustice when you see it. 1
Motorin' Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 23 hours ago, B-Man said: This probably isn't Ahmaud Arbery. Arbery's skin is significantly darker. And this gets to the point, the McMichael's assumed it was him on the past tapes when they could not have known it was him. And they assumed felonious intent on his part on the day of the shooting. In most of the lynchings that happened to black people in American history, the people conducting the lynching believed the person had committed a crime. They formed a posse and believed they had the right to carry out an execution. The McMichael's had called the police. Yet they felt like they had the right to form a posse and pursue with guns, to detain him at gun point and to shoot him when he fought their arrest. I guess we shall see what Georgia law says about modern day armed posses, and if the federal government steps in.
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Jogging is racist: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/opinion/running-jogging-race-ahmaud-arbery.html 2
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Jogging is racist: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/opinion/running-jogging-race-ahmaud-arbery.html My goodness , that excuse for a newspaper has labeled everything as racist. Including America itself . How is the act of putting on some sneakers and going for a jog racist? Only to the most demented individual does that make any sense. They talk about marketing. Who are expensive , endorsed basketball shoes marketed to ? Is that racist ? To the New York Times, just being a Caucasian US citizen makes you a racist. Just demented, disgusting people at that outfit.
bbb Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Jogging is racist: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/opinion/running-jogging-race-ahmaud-arbery.html I remember jogging in the 70s. It seemed like every other car would have punks yelling ***** at you..................then even in the 90s, before my knee died, I would still get occasional taunts and garbage thrown at me.............If I was black, I'd say it was ONLY because I was black. 1
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, bbb said: I remember jogging in the 70s. It seemed like every other car would have punks yelling ***** at you..................then even in the 90s, before my knee died, I would still get occasional taunts and garbage thrown at me.............If I was black, I'd say it was ONLY because I was black. Losers didn’t have PlayStation or smartphones to entertain themselves. They’d yell if you were a hot girl, they’d yell if you looked like a dork , or gay, or whatever. It wasn’t seen as cool to jog. 1
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Gregory McMichael, who is charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, worked for years in DA Jackie Johnson's office without required gun training It's business insider via Yahoo, so take it for what you believe it's worth.
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Gregory McMichael, who is charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, worked for years in DA Jackie Johnson's office without required gun training It's business insider via Yahoo, so take it for what you believe it's worth. I thought the DA seemed kinda shady in this initially.
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I thought the DA seemed kinda shady in this initially. I thought the bit about the cops throwing her under the bus was interesting. 2
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