JohnC Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 I'm in favor of a forum rule that says posting anything from Jason LaContorta earns said poster a two-week unpaid vacation. The guy has not been right once that I can remember with respect to breaking any Bills news. You figure wrong. I'm serious -- name one time LaContorta has been accurate when it comes to breaking Bills news. There doesn't need to be an article by Jason L to recognize that there is an internal dispute between the front office and the new coaching staff. And there doesn't need to be an article by anyone to recognize that the GM has lost some authority when the owner hired the new HC. It's clear to me that Whaley would prefer to let TT go. And it is apparent that the HC isn't on board with that situation, at least right now. This is not a healthy situation from an organizational and authority standpoint.
K-9 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 For the sake of discussion let's assume the article paints an accurate picture. The picture is disturbing on many fronts. The organization negotiated a contract with TT that puts the player in a strong position and the team in a bind when the option decision comes up. Either the organization agrees to the deal or the player goes out to the market and gets a comparable or higher deal because of the tight market for qbs. What it boils down to is that Whaley doesn't want to sign the option at the price he negotiated at. He is the one dealing the cards and he is the one receiving the unappealing cards. The most disturbing issue I find in the story (if true) is it appears that the new coach has more authority than the GM. That is not a healthy situation for any franchise, and it is not a smart way to run a football franchise. What the power arrangement vis a vis GM to HC that was structured by the owner did is take away authority from the GM that most, if not all, GMs have. That diminution of authority clearly is a sign of a lack of confidence by the owner towards the GM. What is the cause of this non-conventional/traditional organizational structure for a NFL frachise? It all goes back to Whaley's inability to put together a competitive team. And that issue goes back mostly to his inability over a reasonable period of time to adequately address the qb situation, the essential ingredient to field a competitive team. In the Watkins deal Whaley was bold and willing to give up a lot to secure a talented receiver in a rich receiver draft class. The mistake he made was that he should have used his willingness to gamble for a qb instead of a receiver. This organization hasn't had a franchise qb since the retirement of Jim Kelly, over twenty years ago. In a system designed for parity this franchise hasn't been in the playoffs for 18 years. The two situations are inextricably linked. That is a disgrace and an embarrassment. I wouldn't get too hung up on the reporting structure the Bills have as it's not that uncommon for both GM and HC to report directly to the owner. As to the question of QB, I don't think there's a HC in the league that doesn't have full authority on who his QB is.
H2o Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 "I bet you thought I was gone....well guess again" Again, I think this is another instance of a reporter throwing at the wall and hoping it sticks. LaCanfora's credibility isn't what it used to be, that's for sure. We'll know soon enough what they will be doing with Tyrod. Until then get a bucket of popcorn and laugh at the shear comedy of it all.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 "I bet you thought I was gone....well guess again" He's this guy:
eball Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 There doesn't need to be an article by Jason L to recognize that there is an internal dispute between the front office and the new coaching staff. And there doesn't need to be an article by anyone to recognize that the GM has lost some authority when the owner hired the new HC. It's clear to me that Whaley would prefer to let TT go. And it is apparent that the HC isn't on board with that situation, at least right now. This is not a healthy situation from an organizational and authority standpoint. John, those statements right there are as bad as the speculation going on in the media. There is NO evidence to support them. Whaley led the HC search and brought McD to the table, and Whaley isn't going to tell the HC who he has to play at QB.
wppete Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Once again more fake news.pire speculation. Give us some sources or quotes. Where does all this stuff come from???
Bray Wyatt Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 If there is a kernel of truth to this, a big if when if comes to LaConjecture, and the new staff prefers to keep TT and Whaley doesn't, look for TT to be retained and Whaley to be let go after the draft. I like that, I may use that in the future
bilzfancy Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 John, those statements right there are as bad as the speculation going on in the media. There is NO evidence to support them. Whaley led the HC search and brought McD to the table, and Whaley isn't going to tell the HC who he has to play at QB. John, those statements right there are as bad as the speculation going on in the media. There is NO evidence to support them. Whaley led the HC search and brought McD to the table, and Whaley isn't going to tell the HC who he has to play at QB. exactly, Sean wouldn't have taken the job otherwise
JohnC Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 I wouldn't get too hung up on the reporting structure the Bills have as it's not that uncommon for both GM and HC to report directly to the owner. As to the question of QB, I don't think there's a HC in the league that doesn't have full authority on who his QB is. I'm not bothered by the reporting protocol. What bothers me is that the GM doesn't have the authority to make a decision on a player that he has made a determination on. I'm not also questioning the input the new HC should have on the qb issue. But I do find it somewhat problematic that it appears that the GM doesn't have the final say.
Bray Wyatt Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 I'm in favor of a forum rule that says posting anything from Jason LaContorta earns said poster a two-week unpaid vacation. The guy has not been right once that I can remember with respect to breaking any Bills news. You figure wrong. I'm serious -- name one time LaContorta has been accurate when it comes to breaking Bills news. ooh another good one, I am liking this new board
Meathead Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) so once again a writer claims the contract was a terrible mistake tell me again why? they get tyrod to play a season for just under ten mil. they get to evaluate him that entire season. if they decide to keep him, they essentially pay the other half of his '16 salary and then the same annual amount for a few more years seems like a terrific contract for the bills whats the worst case scenario? well that would be if tyrod shows hes barely average as an nfl starter and has enough flaws in his game to make him a questionable investment at that double dipped 2017+ half 2016 total payment well, in that scenario then you decline the option to continue and save millions to go get one of the many other barely average starting qbs to play while you seek your next drafted long term starter no problem it was a good contract bc it gave the bills tremendous flexibility. woulda been great if tyrod entrenched himself in that span, but he didnt. now the bills can reap the benefit of the contract and save a lot of money on the position for now, if they want to so what was wrong with that contract again? Edited March 3, 2017 by Meathead
K-9 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Imagine that. People in the front office who are responsible for managing the CAP, and the future of the roster down the road doesn't jive with what coaches want since they are in a win now mode all he time. This is not news. Best point made in the entire thread.
JohnC Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 John, those statements right there are as bad as the speculation going on in the media. There is NO evidence to support them. Whaley led the HC search and brought McD to the table, and Whaley isn't going to tell the HC who he has to play at QB. The GM is the person who usually makes the determination on players factoring in their their cost (cap hit). This is usually a GM function. No one is questioning that the new HC shouldn't have substantive input on the qb issue but this goes beyond that. It is an issue that revolves around the GM's ability to handle the cap which is certainly a prime consideration with this player.
KellyToughII Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 It is written by LaCanfora, so I doubt it is true I am with you, he knows nothing.
K-9 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 I like that, I may use that in the future I have to give full credit to 26CornerBlitz who first used it here.
GG Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) I'm not bothered by the reporting protocol. What bothers me is that the GM doesn't have the authority to make a decision on a player that he has made a determination on. I'm not also questioning the input the new HC should have on the qb issue. But I do find it somewhat problematic that it appears that the GM doesn't have the final say. I don't think that it's as straightforward as that, especially knowing how important QBs are to a team, and it's a near certainty that the last two coaching hires expressed strong views about the Bills QB situation. Plus, if I'm a coach, I'm not trusting a GM's views on a QB, because that GM apparently still believed until January 1, 2017 that EJ Manuel is an NFL starter Edited March 3, 2017 by GG
TPS Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 The part that says they agreed to such a stupid contract says it all, and makes me think SM will get what he wants, assuming this true...
BuffAlone Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 I'm not bothered by the reporting protocol. What bothers me is that the GM doesn't have the authority to make a decision on a player that he has made a determination on. I'm not also questioning the input the new HC should have on the qb issue. But I do find it somewhat problematic that it appears that the GM doesn't have the final say. Whaley didn't even have the final say between hiring Rex,and that's saying something for a GM. But it didn't work,and now it's his chance.I hope he nails it!
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