hondo in seattle Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 You've got to love the reporting...  The Bills can't seem to make up their mind  When you translate newspeak into regular English it comes out something like this, "Uninformed reporters continue to produce conflicting reports based on mere speculation."
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 I agree with this overall, but I maintain that what little McD did say after nothing at all for two months, spoke volumes. Good point, though at the same time I would question McDermott's sanity if he watched that film and came away enamored with the QB and eager to make a 3-4 year investment.
dave mcbride Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) My gut says we're keeping him... My gut says they're not. I think that by this point, you would have heard at least some positive comments about him from the organization. They have not been forthcoming. I think he's gone, mostly because Whaley simply never, ever believed in him. Time will tell whether Whaley is right. Since I think Manuel and Jones are both weak players, I'm not sanguine about his evaluation chops when it comes to QBs. The evidence we have of Whaley prior to Buffalo is pretty thin, btw. When he was the northeast area scout for Seattle from 1996-98, they didn't draft any qbs. He was a pro scout for Pitt from 1999-2009, and the guy they brought in who turned out to be a moderately nice find given what was expected of him was Tommy Maddox. He was actually alright in 2002 after a pretty sorry career beforehand. He fell back to earth in 2003. As some here will recall, Maddox had a great playoff game against Cleveland in a losing effort - a game in which the legend of Kelly Holcomb was born. He also brought in Charlie Batch, who was a very serviceable backup (but backup only). Batch was in fact the classic backup - a 15 year career, and Pitt went 6-3 in games he started over the years despite very modest stats. Edited March 3, 2017 by dave mcbride
K-9 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Good point, though at the same time I would question McDermott's sanity if he watched that film and came away enamored with the QB and eager to make a 3-4 year investment. That's just it; he didn't come away from that exhaustive two month analysis enamored. Not even close, imo. Which is why I think it's strictly a question of practicality for them. Won't be popular, but I can understand the thinking.
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2017 Author Posted March 3, 2017 @sharpfootball BUF may not do better than Tyrod @ QB in '17 & as @evansilva noted, WR/TE health hasn't helped. But here are some unflattering observations: https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/837691406944698368
K-9 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 My gut says they're not. I think that by this point, you would have heard at least some positive comments about him from the organization. They have not been forthcoming. I think he's gone, mostly because Whaley simply never, ever believed in him. Time will tell whether Whaley is right. Since I think Manuel and Jones are both weak players, I'm not sanguine about his evaluation chops when it comes to QBs. The evidence we have of Whaley prior to Buffalo is pretty thin, btw. When he was the northeast area scout for Seattle from 1996-98, they didn't draft any qbs. He was a pro scout for Pitt from 1999-2009, and the guy they brought in who turned out to be a moderately nice find given what was expected of him was Tommy Maddox. He was actually alright in 2002 after a pretty sorry career beforehand. He fell back to earth in 2003. As some here will recall, Maddox had a great playoff game against Cleveland in a losing effort - a game in which the legend of Kelly Holcomb was born. He also brought in Charlie Batch, who was a very serviceable backup (but backup only). Batch was in fact the classic backup - a 15 year career, and Pitt went 6-3 in games he started over the years despite very modest stats. If McD and his staff want to keep TT, they will. It isn't up to Whaley in the final analysis. Â But McD and Co. seem far less than enamored as 2018 posted above.
Wayne Arnold Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Guess he should have played like that vs Oakland/Balt/Pitt/NE when the results mattered. Â Are you saying the result of that game didn't matter?
ndirish1978 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 @sharpfootball BUF may not do better than Tyrod @ QB in '17 & as @evansilva noted, WR/TE health hasn't helped. But here are some unflattering observations: https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/837691406944698368 Â These stats back up what half the posters here have observed. Tyrod's numbers hide how awful he is when the game is on the line.
K-9 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 @sharpfootball BUF may not do better than Tyrod @ QB in '17 & as @evansilva noted, WR/TE health hasn't helped. But here are some unflattering observations: https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/837691406944698368 Ouch! 4.8 ypa? How is that possible? Like the Raven player said, "make him be a quarterback", I guess.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Are you saying the result of that game didn't matter? Week 16 no playoff berth to be had ? Â Season was over after Carr and Ben pantsed Tyrod.
wiskibreth Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 You've got to love the reporting...  The Bills can't seem to make up their mind  When you translate newspeak into regular English it comes out something like this, "Uninformed reporters continue to produce conflicting reports based on mere speculation." This is what I think too. Nobody really knows except those inside OBD.  this quote... "the sense emerging at the Scouting Combine is that the Bills will move on."  Now we're reporting on the "sense" emerging... says nothing about a Bills source. Just another Caruci speculation piece.  I'll react when an official announcement is made one way or another.
Wayne Arnold Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Week 16 no playoff berth to be had ? Â Season was over after Carr and Ben pantsed Tyrod. Â You may have forgotten that the playoffs were absolutely on the line that day.
DC Tom Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Based on all the reports I'm hearing, I'm pretty certain that none of us has any !@#$ing idea what they're going to do.
cd1 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) My initial reaction to this is "Stop....Just Stop". (not to you, Yolo, but to Carruci et al). Â I've said before, Bills aren't going to make their QB decision in a vacuum unless the plan is to tank. From other players who are staying/trying to be signed I don't think the Bills plan is to tank the season (eg Kyle Williams). So the question is who else is available at QB they think they can sign? And how do they think Taylor compares to whoever that is? Â Expect to see an increasing flurry of yes/no/maybe prognosticatios as March 11th approaches. This (bolded) makes the most sense. I can't see Kyle staying if they were going to tank the team. It just maes no sense. Edited March 3, 2017 by cd1
dave mcbride Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 If McD and his staff want to keep TT, they will. It isn't up to Whaley in the final analysis. Â But McD and Co. seem far less than enamored as 2018 posted above. I think you're probably right about the coaches' view, but don't deceive yourself: Whaley DEFINITELY has a big say in this. I'm not saying it's determinative, but it's real.
quinnearlysghost88 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 i'm actually pretty impressed with how well the Bills have been able to keep their decision to themselves. Also, the fact that McDermott is sticking to his guns about exhausting all options. I don't think it's just a platitude to him.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 @sharpfootball BUF may not do better than Tyrod @ QB in '17 & as @evansilva noted, WR/TE health hasn't helped. But here are some unflattering observations: https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/837691406944698368 How can people read something like this and still think this is an "average starter?" I am bewildered. There's bewilderment.
BuffaloBud420 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 I hope so. Nothing against Tyrod but we need to find our franchise guy and we just don't throw the team right now with Tyrod to contend.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 You may have forgotten that the playoffs were absolutely on the line that day. Ahhh yes I believe the odds were less than 1%. How can people read something like this and still think this is an "average starter?" I am bewildered. There's bewilderment. Battered spouse syndrome
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