jeffismagic Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 never underestimate the Cleveland Browns!! They are in a much better spot than people realize. This draft is loaded and they are about to feast.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 If the Bills had Tom Brady last year, they would have competed for a SB. Qbs like Alex Smith and Tyrod don't win or lose games. Which is the debate on picking up Taylor's option. You're right, they don't. The problem is that QB's like Siemien actually lose games by making crucial mistakes. TT took over an average team, and he kept them average with a below average defense. Siemien took over the Super Bowl champs, and missed the playoffs.
jeffismagic Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 It's !@#$ing march. We have no idea who will be good next season. Wait, are you 100% sure the 2015 team and season is gone? 3 years is a long time in the NFL. When you say 2015 I think you really mean the 2014 defense? And I do agree that Rex's dumb 3-4 messed that up and prevented the playoffs. I just see a lot of age and attrition to the players that were a top 5 defense in 2014.
ndirish1978 Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 They are in a much better spot than people realize. This draft is loaded and they are about to feast. Agreed. They are 2-3 years from the playoffs, but they have a shot of drafting a solid nucleus for their team this year
CanadianFan Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) I may get destroyed for this. But I think this is a great idea. Siemian knows the offense and had a solid first season as a starter. Is he a superstar? NO. But he is cheap and decent. He makes just over $1.3m combined for 2017 and 2018. That's almost $40m less than Tyrod for slightly less production and way more upside. I would love if we dumped Tyrod and acquired this kid while still continuing to search for a sure fire Franchise QB. I'd much rather go into 2017 with Siemian as our starter than Cardale, Foles, Cutler or any of the other garbage available and definitely would like him as a placeholder if we decide to draft a QB this year (which I would not do). Tyrod is marginally better but not $16m per year better. This makes a lot of sense to me. While he isn't a running QB like TT, he has mobility, his vision on the field is better, and his ability to hit different spots on the field is better (where as TT is good for one throw only). Only thing is I just don't know if Broncos will pull the trigger on Romo fast enough to make TS available before March 11. Even after that, we could trade TT after exercising his option and go with this kid until 2018/2019. He showed maturity and poise for a 2nd year player who never saw the field in his first year. Siemian had better passing yards than TT. If he's cheap, like a 5th or 6th round, sure. Although Denver just might keep 3 QBs given Romo's injury history. Edited March 2, 2017 by CanadianFan
The_Dude Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 I may get destroyed for this. But I think this is a great idea. Siemian knows the offense and had a solid first season as a starter. Is he a superstar? NO. But he is cheap and decent. He makes just over $1.3m combined for 2017 and 2018. That's almost $40m less than Tyrod for slightly less production and way more upside. I would love if we dumped Tyrod and acquired this kid while still continuing to search for a sure fire Franchise QB. I'd much rather go into 2017 with Siemian as our starter than Cardale, Foles, Cutler or any of the other garbage available and definitely would like him as a placeholder if we decide to draft a QB this year (which I would not do). Tyrod is marginally better but not $16m per year better. Bingo.
ndirish1978 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Siemien is not a future franchise QB, he is a placeholder. Placeholders are junk. I'd rather throw a rookie in there if we aren't playing TT.
Pete Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Could it be a Tyrod Taylor trade straight up for Siemian? Personally I much prefer Tyrod. But I do understand the cap money saved
ndirish1978 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Could it be a Tyrod Taylor trade straight up for Siemian? Personally I much prefer Tyrod. But I do understand the cap money saved Gross
Tenhigh Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 If you say so. Looks very very close tbh. Simien and savings > 200 yard game manager and 10 mil more. So you are not ok with TT, but you are ok with a clearly worse Siemian for a little cap space? WTF?
Big Gun Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 So was Simeon. It's laughable people want this guy here because of his salary.... if you can sit through a 6-10 season, sure. Your laughable, we just sat through a 7-9 season with your boy Tryhard!
Doc Brown Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Sadly, if we sign him we could very easily go into next year with Simeon and Jones competing for the starting job. Full rebuild mode and another wasted year for Shady.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 So you are not ok with TT, but you are ok with a clearly worse Siemian for a little cap space? WTF? Easily. How many games better is Tyrod then Simien ? 1 2 -3 ?
ndirish1978 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 Easily. How many games better is Tyrod then Simien ? 1 2 -3 ? Way to go out on that ledge and really demand the team improve. Let's just field a team full of minimum wage replacements, that should work
Alphadawg7 Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) I really don't want to have to learn to spell his name though @allbrightNFL If the #Broncos do end up with Romo, the #Bills would have interest in acquiring Trevor Siemian. I havent looked yet...wonder what the over/under is on number of posts before FireChan and Ryan jump on this band wagon? Edited March 3, 2017 by Alphadawg7
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 There were times last year where it looked like the kid could play. I like his calm and confident attitude. It's tough to really tell much about him because of how talented the WRs are in Denver. There are other guys I would want more, but I wouldnt be completely against it. I'm willing to give the coaching staff a shot and trust what their vision is. If they like Simien, then I'm play with that.
White Linen Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 With an awful defense. Simeon and the Broncos offense could barely manage .500 with Denvers very good defense. They couldn't run the ball and that was their biggest problem on offense. I think for a while he was running the team quite well and had them at 7-3 at their bye week. The wheels kind of came off at the end for the team as a whole.
JohnC Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 As has been discussed, it's really not crazy money. The cap continues to go up and Tyrods deal will end up looking like mid to bottom level pay for a starting QB. And it's a hunch with Whaley. I think the guys ego clouds his judgement. Completely disagree. Simeon blows. Denvers defense carried them last season and any semblance of solid QB play the Broncos would've easily made the playoffs. Tyrod is much better then Simeon in my opinion. If my recollection is correct Simian was playing with a bad shoulder for much of the season. I'm not declaring that he is anything special because he is not. Is he an upgrade compared to TT? They are much different qbs with contrasting styles of play. It's obvious that Whaley is not enamored with TT and is very willing to let him go. Although TT is not a high priced qb his salary compared to Simian would offer some cap relief that Whaley could put to use.
4merper4mer Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 The problem with using stats for some numbers is they are averages. The Bills D wasn't good this year but they were great against the Ravens and Tyrod was awful. The D worn down in Miami because the offense went 3 and out like 7 times in a row. Denver has a great defense but in probably the best start of Siemen's career, Denver's D couldn't stop Alex Smith. Context matters rather than just using stats at times. I would rather have Taylor than Siemen but the gap isn't as big as some think. I think they are both Alex Smith type players. I would want to do better than both but I think Siemen would be a good backup. OMG with "the defense sucked because of Taylor" crap again. Stop it. Rex's defenses have consistently suck for a loooooooooong time now. He had a bad game in week 1? Seriously? Taylor is better than Denver monkey name AND has more upside. He will cost more.....because he is worth more.
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