Chuck Wagon Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I think many view Washington as the long-term replacement to Kyle Fair enough, but I think Hankins and Washington are two completely different types of players. Hankins is going to eat up blocks to allow Dareus to penetrate while Dareus would need to fill that role next to Washington. I think there's room for all of them in a DT rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 2 Buckeyes are better than one And none is ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 And none is ideal. Come on Blokes you can't be serious? They just produced the greatest rookie class a school has ever produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Come on Blokes you can't be serious? They just produced the greatest rookie class a school has ever produced. Yeah that Darron Lee, huh? (http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/04/jets-darron-lee-was-nfls-worst-rookie-linebacker/) Cardale Jones tore the league up, too... Not really arguing against OSU products, but just playing devil's advocate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Yeah that Darron Lee, huh? (http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/04/jets-darron-lee-was-nfls-worst-rookie-linebacker/) Cardale Jones tore the league up, too... Not really arguing against OSU products, but just playing devil's advocate you are kidding, right? Might want to find something else to play devils advocate against https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/ohio-states-best-rookie-class/story%3Fid%3D45009435 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000756305/article/top-five-2016-rookie-classes-by-school-ohio-state-no-1%3FnetworkId%3D4595%26site%3D.news%26zone%3Dstory%26zoneUrl%3Durl%253Dstory%26zoneKeys%3Ds1%253Dstory%26env%3D%26pageKeyValues%3Dprtnr%253Dcollege-football%253Bplyr%253Dmichael_thomas%253Bplyr%253Djoseph_bosa%253Bplyr%253Deli_apple%26p.ct%3DCFB%2B24%252F7%26p.adsm%3Dfalse%26p.tcm%3D%2523ffffff%26p.bgc1m%3D%2523000000%26sr%3Damp https://www.google.com/amp/www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/02/80075/six-members-of-ohio-states-2016-draft-class-make-nflcom-all-rookie-team%3Famp I've seen you bring up Darron Lee before - he didn't even turn 21 until like week 5 of his rookie season and had played LB for all of two years of his life prior to entering the league. He was clearly drafted on potential. I don't think you can judge much yet. Cardale was osu's backup QB and was not even expected to play for years in the NFL, also drafted on potential. Did you really mean to use those two examples to show the class of 14 rookies wasn't great? Edited March 27, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 you are kidding, right? Might want to find something else to play devils advocate against https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/ohio-states-best-rookie-class/story%3Fid%3D45009435 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000756305/article/top-five-2016-rookie-classes-by-school-ohio-state-no-1%3FnetworkId%3D4595%26site%3D.news%26zone%3Dstory%26zoneUrl%3Durl%253Dstory%26zoneKeys%3Ds1%253Dstory%26env%3D%26pageKeyValues%3Dprtnr%253Dcollege-football%253Bplyr%253Dmichael_thomas%253Bplyr%253Djoseph_bosa%253Bplyr%253Deli_apple%26p.ct%3DCFB%2B24%252F7%26p.adsm%3Dfalse%26p.tcm%3D%2523ffffff%26p.bgc1m%3D%2523000000%26sr%3Damp https://www.google.com/amp/www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/02/80075/six-members-of-ohio-states-2016-draft-class-make-nflcom-all-rookie-team%3Famp I've seen you bring up Darron Lee before - he didn't even turn 21 until like week 5 of his rookie season and had played LB for all of two years of his life prior to entering the league. He was clearly drafted on potential. I don't think you can judge much yet. Cardale was osu's backup QB and was not even expected to play for years in the NFL, also drafted on potential. Did you really mean to use those two examples to show the class wasn't great? Not kidding, just playing devil's advocate like I said. Never said the class isn't great. Clearly, it is. If you want to join the argument, then you'd have to be arguing for KJ's statement: "They just produced the greatest rookie class a school has ever produced." Which it might even be! Just not clearly so at this point. Yes, Lee is still young, but he had the year he had for how high he was drafted. Jones barely saw the field. Everyone is drafted on potential. Everyone is judged on production, or lack thereof. These 2 haven't done much. Washington as a 3rd round pick really didn't do that much either. Bell? Eh. Miller? Ok. I dunno much about Vannett and Perry to say either way. Elliot, Thomas, Decker, Bosa, and Apple all had decent to stellar seasons. No denying that. Just saying pump the breaks on "best ever." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Not kidding, just playing devil's advocate like I said. Never said the class isn't great. Clearly, it is. If you want to join the argument, then you'd have to be arguing for KJ's statement: "They just produced the greatest rookie class a school has ever produced." Which it might even be! Just not clearly so at this point. Yes, Lee is still young, but he had the year he had for how high he was drafted. Jones barely saw the field. Everyone is drafted on potential. Everyone is judged on production, or lack thereof. These 2 haven't done much. Washington as a 3rd round pick really didn't do that much either. Bell? Eh. Miller? Ok. I dunno much about Vannett and Perry to say either way. Elliot, Thomas, Decker, Bosa, and Apple all had decent to stellar seasons. No denying that. Just saying pump the breaks on "best ever." Find one that's comparable (keep in mind you can only use the rookie seasons). I'll wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Not kidding, just playing devil's advocate like I said. Never said the class isn't great. Clearly, it is. If you want to join the argument, then you'd have to be arguing for KJ's statement: "They just produced the greatest rookie class a school has ever produced." Which it might even be! Just not clearly so at this point. Yes, Lee is still young, but he had the year he had for how high he was drafted. Jones barely saw the field. Everyone is drafted on potential. Everyone is judged on production, or lack thereof. These 2 haven't done much. Washington as a 3rd round pick really didn't do that much either. Bell? Eh. Miller? Ok. I dunno much about Vannett and Perry to say either way. Elliot, Thomas, Decker, Bosa, and Apple all had decent to stellar seasons. No denying that. Just saying pump the breaks on "best ever." so are you thinking Kirby is the only one to say that? I only posted 3 links from ESPN, NFL.com, etc that said that but you can find more ... it's not really debatable. But feel free to try to find some better rookie classes if you are so inclined. The work is done for you right here https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.landof10.com/ohio-state/espn-2016-ohio-state-draft-class-best-nfl-history/amp Edited March 27, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 His brother put that much up his nose last week.Bones is holding an event at 716 before UFC210 meetjonjones.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Come on Blokes you can't be serious? They just produced the greatest rookie class a school has ever produced. When have you ever known me to be serious? I just like to wind up fans of every big CFB team, the joys of having no ties to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) When have you ever known me to be serious? I just like to wind up fans of every big CFB team, the joys of having no ties to anyone. I promise to get even during WC qualifying. Edited March 28, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 When have you ever known me to be serious? I just like to wind up fans of every big CFB team, the joys of having no ties to anyone. I promise to get even during WC qualifying. Are the Hokies still the only team to win in the Horseshoe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Are the Hokies still the only team to win in the Horseshoe? no, stupid Sparty because Zeke 10 carries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 no, stupid Sparty because Zeke 10 carries Well then we can agree, MSU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Well then we can agree, MSU!ever since Connor Cook snubbed Archie Griffin after the Big 10 championship game in 2015 they've gone completely downhill and not recovered. Karma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 OK, gotta say that I thought we were arguing best careers of a class (based on "I don't think you can judge much yet." re: Lee), not rookie seasons, but no worries. Again, I don't necessarily agree with this, but I'll try: Jones, playing the most important position, hurts their class because his team didn't even think he was ready to play in the final weeks, and he was a 4th round pick! There's a definite argument that Sanchez (who was drafted with Matthews, Cushing, and Maualuga...) going to the AFC Championship game makes this not close at all. Similarly, that Wisconsin class is good given Wilson's playoff success in his first year. Still, gotta say the 2002 'Canes are arguably up there with last year's Buckeyes. So is 2014's LSU class, which boasted Mettenberger, who had a clearly better rookie year than Jones. On QB alone, other classes would have to be considered better. Ask half this board how they feel about the importance of the QB position. Elliot's season was great, but expected given his draft status. Portis had just as good a year and was drafted 51 overall. Jeremy Hill and Alfred Blue both had great production out of LSU and were drafted much lower than Elliot. Thomas' season was great. Shockey's was just as good. Beckham and Landry were both about as good, too. Decker's season was great. McKinnie started half the year. Trai Turner was a rookie Pro Bowler. Bosa didn't play half the year, which hurts him. You want the 3rd overall pick there for the full offseason and season (the best ability is availability). Ego Feruson played all 16 games for the Bears. Lamin Barrow of LSU helped the Broncos make it to the Super Bowl and played in all 16 games doing so. Apple didn't start most of the year, which hurts him. Ed Reed? Pro Bowl rookie year. Phillip Buchannon had significant playing time and returned an 81 yard touchdown. Mike Rumph played in all 16 games and had 49 tackles. That ABC article stands for my argument, which is that it's not clear-cut which is the best: "At the very least, it's safe to say that the Ohio State Buckeyes just sent one of the best draft classes the league has ever seen into the NFL." So, while I don't think any class is definitively the best, Sanchez and Wilson's rookie years blow Jones' out of the water, while the 2002 Miami and 2014 LSU classes are both ridiculously stacked, just like last season's Ohio State class. Given that Mettenberger resembled an NFL QB for that 2014 LSU class, I'd be tempted to give it to them. This is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) I stopped reading when you said Elliot was great but it was "expected" (so? Why does that matter) ...and Bosa only played half the year (wrong, he played 12 games). Despite missing all of TC and 4 games, he had 11 sacks (3rd in league) tied for 1st in league in TFL, and had a better pass rushing grade than Von Miller, and was DROY. The Cardale vs Sanchez makes no sense, we aren't only comparing QBs as being weighted heavier than other positions. Sanchez was drafted what, 5th overall? And since Cardale was drafted in the 4th you expected him to be ready to start by the end of his rookie year because... it's actually the exact opposite. Edited March 28, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) I'm not really arguing against the success of Elliott or Bosa. Expected = college production, draft status, and DAL's amazing Oline. But Portis definitely had about the same year and was drafted much later in his draft. Bosa had a great year on a bad team. I choose to weigh QB more importantly in the NFL, but that's me. A lot of people would take the rookie Sanchez/Wilson/Mettenberger with their class over Jones and his class because QB wins in the NFL. I never said I expected Jones to be able to start in his rookie year, but a 4th rounder whose front office was clearly hesitant to even let him see the field has to raise question marks when grading the rookie year of a draft. Again, I'm not saying I even believe it (and I thought the original argument was based on careers, which was why I disagreed), but playing devil's advocate is fun. I do think that OSU'16 is in no way definitively better than MIA'02 or LSU'14. Edited March 28, 2017 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 That 2004 'Canes class was pretty decent as well. Sean Taylor, Vince Wilfork, Kellen Winslow, Jon Vilma in the 1st round. Vernon Carey started 107 games. Exceptionally top-heavy class though. Wilfork is potentially HOF-worthy and Taylor's play was well on the way to doing similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 @MikeGarafolo And to put a bow on it, DE Chris Long has agreed to terms with the Eagles, source says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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