Saint Doug Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 3:22 AM, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I think drafting him would set us back another 5 years. What set us back was drafting EJ, then completely ignoring to draft another QB in an attempt to spare "his feelings". And I don't want the drafting of a guy who was benched in college doing the same. You keep drafting till your convinced you got your guy. Worse case scenario is we end up like the Skins with Cousins.
Augie Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 3:33 AM, jumbalaya said: This team has more holes than a Mongolian Brothel. Do you have pix? Never mind.
jumbalaya Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 3:33 AM, jumbalaya said: This team has more holes than a Mongolian Brothel. On 2/26/2017 at 3:44 AM, Augie said: Do you have pix? Never mind. Seriously though, with the rate that we let decent players walk we are always drafting to fill the same holes over and over. Once Gilmore and Woods walk we will have our annual need for a big time WR & shut down CB. We always need 2 at Oline. Losing Gragg and Tyrod will leave TE and QB empty. Safety (is there anyone standing?), Pass rush (good bye Lorenzo and Jerry); and LB, (goodbye Zach B). We could easily replace both kickers. Nothing ever gets fixed and stays fixed. The only spot we get right year after year is the Long Snapper.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 3:43 AM, Saint Doug said: What set us back was drafting EJ, then completely ignoring to draft another QB in an attempt to spare "his feelings". And I don't want the drafting of a guy who was benched in college doing the same. You keep drafting till your convinced you got your guy. Worse case scenario is we end up like the Skins with Cousins. I agree. You have to keep drafting QB's. I just don't like any of them enough this year to do so with a first round pick.
GunnerBill Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 12:16 AM, Ryan L Billz said: 1billsfan. Watson plays from the pocket a ton. He's a beast at running as well, gotta take what the defense gives ya. Watson can 100% definitely play from the pocket. Will ge need his legs early in his career when things break down? Sure. So did Russell Wilson.
bananathumb Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 He'll be gone, so stop drooling/negating.
aristocrat Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 what made all current big time qb's successful? they had top defenses early on...brady, ben, wilson, etc
BarleyNY Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 4:29 AM, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I agree. You have to keep drafting QB's. I just don't like any of them enough this year to do so with a first round pick. I keep coming back to this too. I'm not in love with any of these QBs, but I do like several of them to varying degrees. Sometimes the thing you need most just isn't there to be had.
JTO Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 Kelly is a much better option here. You heard it here first!
Mickey Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/25/2017 at 7:37 PM, KzooMike said: Does he have the right physical tools? Height/Arm Strength specifically? Watson checks out in both areas at 6'3 and has a good arm. He's also athletic, so give a him a small plus Has he shown he can dominate competition? I'm looking for a guy that showed he can take his program to levels it never reached before or for a very long time. It had been 35 years since Clemson won a National Title. They went to the National title back to back seasons. Clemson was very talented but Watson was the catalyst. How effective can he perform against elite competition and in big games? Alabama is about the closest thing a college QB will see compared to NFL talent and scheme. He faced them back to back years in the National Title. Against Alabama his numbers are staggering. Comp % 64.1, 7 TD, 1 INT, 412 YPG. Clutch? Winning a National Championship after having a large deficit, driving the length of the field and scoring on the final play clutch? Yes... Can he throw in the middle of the field and the can he throw WR's open? He does a very good job in both areas. He throws the intermediate routes over the middle as well as anybody in college football. He also let's his guys make a play on the ball with back shoulder and jump ball throws We can talk about things he has to work on. Guys certainly not perfect. He has to adapt more to the NFL game and get better with footwork and accuracy. I see his career starting out with high production and high turnovers. Many of the great ones do. Then as years progress completion % will rise and the INT's will decline. He has "IT", whatever that is. On 2/25/2017 at 9:23 PM, GunnerBill said: I think there has been mass overthink on the kid because he has been talked about as a possible top 5 pick since 4 or 5 games into last year. When you go and look at the tape it stacks up. He has better film than both Goff and Wentz had this time last year. If he is there at #10 I believe the Bills should pick him. He isn't accurate, his receivers make him look good and the dominant roster surrounding him makes him look even better. Unfortunately, the quality available in the draft at QB is not determined by how badly we need one. Mahomes is a much better long term prospect.
OldTimer1960 Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/25/2017 at 9:37 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: There's at least 3 or 4 teams drafting ahead of the Bills that need a franchise QB. So if he's there at 10 that means the Bills are either the smartest guys in the room or reaching. This is about where I come out on this as well.
FireChan Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 1:23 PM, aristocrat said: what made all current big time qb's successful? they had top defenses early on...brady, ben, wilson, etc Except for, Dak, Winston, Mariota, Luck.
BarleyNY Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 1:47 PM, FireChan said: Except for, Dak, Winston, Mariota, Luck. Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers........
FireChan Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 1:49 PM, BarleyNY said: Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers........ Derek Carr.
BarleyNY Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 1:52 PM, FireChan said: Derek Carr. Cam Newton also had a crappy defense his rookie year.
aristocrat Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 1:47 PM, FireChan said: Except for, Dak, Winston, Mariota, Luck. do they have superbowls i'm unaware of? and dak had a top 5 scoring defense. i actually advocated for drafting him earlier in the thread. but for him to be successful quick i think we could have the recipe...big run game, and a defense that could be great if it gets back to 2 years ago. no pressure for watson coming in.
GunnerBill Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 1:37 PM, Mickey said: He isn't accurate, his receivers make him look good and the dominant roster surrounding him makes him look even better. Unfortunately, the quality available in the draft at QB is not determined by how badly we need one. Mahomes is a much better long term prospect. I disagree very strongly.
Cripple Creek Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/25/2017 at 8:57 PM, Over 28 years of fanhood said: Fools gold Fools would be the ones to pass on him at 10. He won't be there for the pick, but, if he were and the Bills passed him by I would be supremely disappointed.
FireChan Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 2:09 PM, aristocrat said: do they have superbowls i'm unaware of? and dak had a top 5 scoring defense. i actually advocated for drafting him earlier in the thread. but for him to be successful quick i think we could have the recipe...big run game, and a defense that could be great if it gets back to 2 years ago. no pressure for watson coming in. Can you not be a successful good QB without a Super Bowl? On 2/26/2017 at 1:58 PM, BarleyNY said: Cam Newton also had a crappy defense his rookie year. What an unsuccessful QB. Only broke virtually every rookie QB record and won MVP in his 5th year. Sucks that he was ruined by that first year defense.
aristocrat Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 3:17 PM, FireChan said: Can you not be a successful good QB without a Super Bowl? What an unsuccessful QB. Only broke virtually every rookie QB record and won MVP in his 5th year. Sucks that he was ruined by that first year defense. Big ben didn't exceed taylors passing yards from last year until his 3rd year. They won the superbowl in spite of him. Brady had top defenses in his first few years when he won 3 rings. Russ wilson would be a backup somewhere if it wasn't for the defense. Some guys are can't miss guys. We need to make sure he develops by having the big defense so he doesn't come in and just get killed week after week. I know you believe that defenses have little to no effect on games but they do.
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