YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) Kyle is 34 and in the last year of his contract. He has played well and it goes without saying he's at or near the top of the list of most Bills fans favorite players. The Bills could save 8.3 million the cap by cutting him. Yet, I don't think its a Fred Jackson situation. Kyle may have been the best player on the defense last year. The cap number looms large, however, as we approach FA with more than a few holes and new systems on both sides of the ball to accomodate. I am torn. I want him to just restructure or take a pay cut, but not sure how realistic that is. Edited February 24, 2017 by YoloinOhio
MarkAF43 Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Kyle is 34 and in the last year of his contract. He has played well and it goes without saying he's at or near the top of the list of most Bills fans favorite players. The Bills could save 8.3 million the cap by cutting him. Yet, I don't think its a Fred Jackson situation. Kyle may have been the best player on the defense last year. The cap number looms large, however, as we approach FA with more than a few holes and new systems on both sides of the ball to accomodate. I am torn. I want him to just restructure or take a pay cut, but not sure how realistic that is. I'm not sure if it would be a huge deal for a restructure, he's been willing to do them through his career so far, hopefully that doesn't change.
FireChan Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 If we extend him, don't we lower his hit? Cutting Freddy proved to be a mistake and he was on his last legs. Cutting a leader who is still playing at a high level would be crazy. He may be the best influence on Dareus in that locker room. Cutting Kyle would lose us Dareus, potentially.
GunnerBill Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Heart says absolutely not... head says don't rule it out.
ALF Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 If we extend him, don't we lower his hit? Cutting Freddy proved to be a mistake and he was on his last legs. Cutting a leader who is still playing at a high level would be crazy. He may be the best influence on Dareus in that locker room. Cutting Kyle would lose us Dareus, potentially. great answer
jeffismagic Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Before we worry about cutting him shouldn't we ask Kyle if he wants to come back? We don't even know that yet at this point.
K-9 Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Not if he can still play which, last time I saw, he could. And at a high level. I look for him to restructure.
GunnerBill Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 If he signs a one year extension any chance he takes the same money $8m but split over 2 years? Or you think he wants more money to do that?
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Sure! Sign him to a 6 year extention, give him 12 million bonus and league minimum guaranteed, and he will likely retire after this season, but only be like a 2.5m hit this season. That gives us another 6 million in cap room, which could allow them to re-sign Gilmore, as well as Tyrod. Most likely league rules against such a contract, though.
klos63 Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 If we extend him, don't we lower his hit? Cutting Freddy proved to be a mistake and he was on his last legs. Cutting a leader who is still playing at a high level would be crazy. He may be the best influence on Dareus in that locker room. Cutting Kyle would lose us Dareus, potentially. I'm not sure that's a feather in his cap, based on how Dareus has behaved over the years. But i'd like to restructure and keep him. Cut Graham and Carpenter saves us around $9mm right there. Restructure a few more deals and we have plenty of space.
JohnC Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Kyle is 34 and in the last year of his contract. He has played well and it goes without saying he's at or near the top of the list of most Bills fans favorite players. The Bills could save 8.3 million the cap by cutting him. Yet, I don't think its a Fred Jackson situation. Kyle may have been the best player on the defense last year. The cap number looms large, however, as we approach FA with more than a few holes and new systems on both sides of the ball to accomodate. I am torn. I want him to just restructure or take a pay cut, but not sure how realistic that is. The Bills should do the honorable thing by either trading him for next to nothing to a playoff team such as Dallas or allow him to go to a playoff ready team he prefers to go to. Although KW has had an illustrious career he never has played in a playoff game. That is a sad commentary on this ramshackle organization. Kyle should be unshackled and allowed to have a chance to experience a playoff game or more. It's not going to happen here. That' a shame. It's a disgrace and an embarrassment.
FireChan Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 I'm not sure that's a feather in his cap, based on how Dareus has behaved over the years. But i'd like to restructure and keep him. Cut Graham and Carpenter saves us around $9mm right there. Restructure a few more deals and we have plenty of space. Dareus will always be responsible for his own actions, but Kyle is a positive influence on him in the locker room. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise. The point being that losing Kyle could potentially have Dareus behave worse. Not to mention, we've seen how unruly this team can get when things get tough. We need more leaders, not less.
klos63 Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Dareus will always be responsible for his own actions, but Kyle is a positive influence on him in the locker room. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise. The point being that losing Kyle could potentially have Dareus behave worse. Not to mention, we've seen how unruly this team can get when things get tough. We need more leaders, not less. Because Dareus hasn't shown us any reason to believe that. This is not meant to be a knock at KW, I just think you are overstating the leadership deal. KW is one of my favorite players, sign him because of him, not somebody else.
GunnerBill Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 The Bills should do the honorable thing by either trading him for next to nothing to a playoff team such as Dallas or allow him to go to a playoff ready team he prefers to go to. Although KW has had an illustrious career he never has played in a playoff game. That is a sad commentary on this ramshackle organization. Kyle should be unshackled and allowed to have a chance to experience a playoff game or more. It's not going to happen here. That' a shame. It's a disgrace and an embarrassment. I don't think he'd go John. I think it is Buffalo or retirement.
FireChan Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Because Dareus hasn't shown us any reason to believe that. This is not meant to be a knock at KW, I just think you are overstating the leadership deal. KW is one of my favorite players, sign him because of him, not somebody else. How do you "show" someone is a positive influence?
klos63 Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 I don't think he'd go John. I think it is Buffalo or retirement. depends on how badly he wants to have a shot at the playoffs. How do you "show" someone is a positive influence? by responding to his 'leadership' skills and becoming a better teammate?
GunnerBill Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) depends on how badly he wants to have a shot at the playoffs. I might be wrong but I think he wants to get this team he has sweat blood and tears for for over a decade there. I don't think getting there just to say he has been with another team would hold any interest at all for him. If the Bills say "no more" my guess is Kyle hangs them up. Edited February 24, 2017 by GunnerBill
Dorkington Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 I can't say yes or no until the QB situation is resolved. That being said, I'd vote restructure. He's still a valuable piece of our defense imo.
Fan in Chicago Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 If we extend him, don't we lower his hit? Cutting Freddy proved to be a mistake and he was on his last legs. Cutting a leader who is still playing at a high level would be crazy. I agree. Especially a new regime needs all the leaders it can get.
JohnC Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 I don't think he'd go John. I think it is Buffalo or retirement. I respectfully disagree. If a sweetheart deal was made with Dallas and he was given a chance to finish his career on a playoff team I think that he would initially have ambivalent feelings but would embrace playing on a team that plays meaningful games at the end of the season followed by playoff games, something he hasn't ever experienced. He is a terrific person and player. He has had a very distinguished career. Someone like him doesn't deserve to finish his career on a team whose outcome for the season is predictable. This southerner deserves better than what this northern franchise is capable of giving him. He should be set free and have the opportunity to experience playing in post season games.
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