row_33 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I may pay the $1.40 a month and get Al Jezeera in English, that would be better than CNN or CBS. RT is fine to get information from so long as you're conscious of the fact it's state owned. CNN and the US MSM are fine to get information from so long as you're conscious of the fact they're also state owned. We just don't like to admit that last bit as Americans where we supposedly live in a land where the 4th estate serves the people, not the oligarchs/State Department/USIC. I never bothered with state owned stuff, I figured it out when the media kept trumpeting McGovern as the best choice for President. That wasn't even fooling 10 year old children. They haven't let me down yet in expecting they will tilt everything against the GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I highly recommend watching the Oliver Stone Putin interviews on Showtime for those who get it. Putin talks about his rise to power and goes through the history of Russia and where he thinks past leaders have made mistakes. He also goes into great detail about NATO and there is clearly some animosity for the United States since he entered office. He comes off to me as a very intelligent, disciplined guy with a decent personality who has a very firm grasp of American politics. Let's just say after watching this I have a feeling he got the best out of his meeting with Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 NATO entered and bombed formerly Warsaw Pact territory despite promising not to do so, which understandably would incur some mistrust and animosity from Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 NATO entered and bombed formerly Warsaw Pact territory despite promising not to do so, which understandably would incur some mistrust and animosity from Putin. Yeah. That's one of the reasons. He wasn't happy about NATO expansion towards his borders and has a contempt for Western values that he fears will spread to his country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Yeah. That's one of the reasons. He wasn't happy about NATO expansion towards his borders and has a contempt for Western values that he fears will spread to his country. Still, it's the best relations I've lived through with the powers that be in Moscow for my half-century... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 LOL............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 We're in complete agreement,. I'm not up for writing an essay, but if you consider for a moment that my arguments against money-laundering are more about truth and less about being a partisan, you may be surprised what at what you really want. Trump not withstanding, most of these idiots are put in office by other people's money. CA gives me a front-row seat to how things are run, and the state is essentially run by by unions. In many cities and in most every trade in CA, you can not be involved in any project unless you meet union requirements and prevailing wage. Dues are mandatory for most unions. Those dues get pulled from paychecks of tens of thousands of people, and are used to put in office the very people who make the laws demanding union requirements. Jerry Brown makes a living off union donations. Hate the massive unions (SEIU, etc.)? Hate the K-street lobbyists? Hate the way the money is pushed around to get people elected? Me too. Best way to stop it? Shrink the government. Best way to shrink the government? Bring it back to what it was intended to do based on the Constitution. Best people to do that? Conservatives. Unfortunately, the media ensures that anyone who even suggests they're a conservative are painted as evil BIble-thumpers who want to kill your grandmother. So that's a losing battle. But the only way to elevate who runs the country is to remove the money, and the fastest way to remove the money is to shrink the size of the government. Won't happen. Too many people are dependent on it for pretty much everything. But it's a nice idea. Smaller government is bad for business. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/retail-lose-70-billion-over-191409015.html "Retail to lose $70 billion over 10 years if food stamp benefits are cut; here's who gets hit the most" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 And if the Russians ever comeThey'll all be beating bongo drumsDamn - beatniks rule!Dropped out of kindergartenDropped out of schoolReally hot on my bongo drumsReally hot on my bongo drumsSo who'll defend - in World War IIIWhere could we turn - where would they be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Yeah. That's one of the reasons. He wasn't happy about NATO expansion towards his borders and has a contempt for Western values that he fears will spread to his country. I didn't take away that he has contempt for western values, more so his contempt was at the fact that if you join the west you become a vassal to US foreign and economic policy - which in turn can erode individual sovergnty and culture. (Unipolarist versus multi-polarism) And he's got a point... Somewhat. Russia has a lot of things they have to address within their own country, his point is they should be the ones to decide them, not outside influences (which pegs the irony meter for multiple historical reasons). Russia is the first modern nation state to be post capitalistic. Meaning, they went through the entire cycle: monarchy to communist to unchecked capitalism and then collapse. They suffered the blight of unchecked capitalism in the 90s and it destroyed their economy and country - they've since been rebuilding and reforming out of necessity. In many ways they are the canary in the coal mine for the United States who's own experiment is teetering thanks to the influence of unchecked capitalism corroding our republic into a plutocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Russia went through about 5 centuries of interesting history before you put your chess piece on a square claiming everything we have now is to thank or blame post-capitalism... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Russia went through about 5 centuries of interesting history before you put your chess piece on a square claiming everything we have now is to thank or blame post-capitalism... Longer than that. My point was not meant to bash capitalism nor blame it for Russia's woes. The intended point is that they are a rarity in the modern world in the sense they have lived through the collapse of both of its dominate economic models: communism/socialism and capitalism. The capitalistic crash came more recently, and it's been interesting to chart the Russian recovery because they are the first post-capitalistic nation on the planet in a sense (a debatable sense, no doubt). Putin has shifted more to soft power (out of necessity), with a specific focus on culture. At home, unchecked capitalism has already turned our republic into an plutocracy/oligarchy. The majority of people haven't woken up to that fact yet, which is why our illusion persists. But it won't last forever - and sooner or later there will be a shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Sanders was treated like a serious candidate, he just lost. That's not one of the networks faults. I thought it was disengenuous and sneaky how CNN when listing the delegate count always counted Super Delegates even though they don't vote until the convention. It made it appear Bernie was not a serious candidate because he was allegedly so far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I didn't take away that he has contempt for western values, more so his contempt was at the fact that if you join the west you become a vassal to US foreign and economic policy - which in turn can erode individual sovergnty and culture. (Unipolarist versus multi-polarism) And he's got a point... Somewhat. Russia has a lot of things they have to address within their own country, his point is they should be the ones to decide them, not outside influences (which pegs the irony meter for multiple historical reasons). Russia is the first modern nation state to be post capitalistic. Meaning, they went through the entire cycle: monarchy to communist to unchecked capitalism and then collapse. They suffered the blight of unchecked capitalism in the 90s and it destroyed their economy and country - they've since been rebuilding and reforming out of necessity. In many ways they are the canary in the coal mine for the United States who's own experiment is teetering thanks to the influence of unchecked capitalism corroding our republic into a plutocracy. Greg, there is so much wrong here that I'm not even sure where to begin correcting you. I'll simply state that Russia never entered a period of unchecked capitalism, ever, and that the US isn't a capitalist economy either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Greg, there is so much wrong here that I'm not even sure where to begin correcting you. I'll simply state that Russia never entered a period of unchecked capitalism, ever, and that the US isn't a capitalist economy either. A-yup. People often confuse capitalism with somebody making a lot of money. Yet the number one and most important rule of capitalism is sacrosanct protection of private property rights and the freedom to transfer that property. Post Soviet Russia's economy is still much closer to the Soviet rule than it is to anything resembling capitalism. The only thing that changed is that the insiders get to make a boatload of money publicly. I highly recommend watching the Oliver Stone Putin interviews on Showtime for those who get it. Putin talks about his rise to power and goes through the history of Russia and where he thinks past leaders have made mistakes. He also goes into great detail about NATO and there is clearly some animosity for the United States since he entered office. He comes off to me as a very intelligent, disciplined guy with a decent personality who has a very firm grasp of American politics. Let's just say after watching this I have a feeling he got the best out of his meeting with Trump. Yeah, the part where he was canonizing Stalin was especially heartwarming. What a nice boy, that Volodya is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I thought it was disengenuous and sneaky how CNN when listing the delegate count always counted Super Delegates even though they don't vote until the convention. It made it appear Bernie was not a serious candidate because he was allegedly so far behind. Sanders was treated horribly by CNN, pretending 43% of primary voters don't exist is bad and stupid politics. And every one of those Sanders voters MEANT IT.... thanks Dems and stooges at CNN, helped ensure those Sanders voters wouldn't do a thing to help Hillary. many thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Trump tweet: "Everyone here is talking about why John Podesta refused to give the DNC server to the FBI and the CIA. Disgraceful!" This is all lies. He didn't work at DNC I thought it was disengenuous and sneaky how CNN when listing the delegate count always counted Super Delegates even though they don't vote until the convention. It made it appear Bernie was not a serious candidate because he was allegedly so far behind. You think things like this swayed voters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 People often confuse capitalism with somebody making a lot of money. Yet the number one and most important rule of capitalism is sacrosanct protection of private property rights and the freedom to transfer that property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Greg, there is so much wrong here that I'm not even sure where to begin correcting you. I'll simply state that Russia never entered a period of unchecked capitalism, ever, and that the US isn't a capitalist economy either. A-yup. People often confuse capitalism with somebody making a lot of money. Yet the number one and most important rule of capitalism is sacrosanct protection of private property rights and the freedom to transfer that property. Post Soviet Russia's economy is still much closer to the Soviet rule than it is to anything resembling capitalism. The only thing that changed is that the insiders get to make a boatload of money publicly. Fair. I didn't say it as cleanly as I intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 CNN all week: An anonymous source says Trump won't confront Putin about Russia meddling in the election! Screen shots And.....................of course . There is reality then there is CNN reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Shocking! CNN hired top al-Qaeda propagandist for award-winning Syria documentary and wants to cover its trackshttp://www.salon.com/2017/07/09/cnn-hired-top-al-qaeda-propagandist-for-award-winning-syria-documentary-and-wants-to-cover-its-tracks_partner/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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